Cutting and Pasting Between Applications

<snip> I suspect for your use though you will need very few of the features in Basecamp, so the fact it won't do what you do need it for must be frustrating. Have you tried splitting the route to see if that works?

Given my use is simply to find places and create routes for downloading to a SatNav designed and sold for use on a motorcycle it's a pretty fundamental flaw in the software if it won't do it, don't you think? I'm sure they'll get there in the end, I just wish they'd concentrate on getting the basics working before adding frills and had continued to bring our Mapsource-compatible maps until those Basecamp basic functions worked.

I have tried splitting the route but it seems Basecamp, on my machine at least, doesn't like that section of the US at all.

Kevin

Mapsource: I have a number of waypoints plotted on the map (as per the attachment). I select the route tool then click on my starting point. I move my mouse pointer to the next waypoint which Mapsource helpfully highlights to show I have selected it correctly, I click to add it to the route. I move the next one, click, and so on. While I'm doing this, Mapsource is updating the route details in the left-hand pane so I can see what my total mileage and time required is. If I decide the last waypoint I've added makes the route too long I can use ^Z to remove it then carry on.

Basecamp: Same as above except Basecamp will only put the waypoint name in the tooltip occasionally, despite moving the pointer all over the icon, so I've no idea if I'm clicking on the correct place, it's currently failing as per my screen shot* and I can see no way of getting it to display the total mileage and time as I'm creating the route.

The best result for me is I prove to be an idiot and Basecamp does exactly what I need so please don't be shy of telling me that!

Kevin

I'm still using 4.0.5, so I can't answer for sure about 4.1. But in 4.0.5, you can extend the route similar to MS, and can ctrl-Z to undo the last point added, also the same (though I'm not sure why your example doesn't work). On the snap-to indication when hovering, Garmin is aware of that being a much requested update I believe, it will be great when it behaves similar to MS.

On the updating of the route details, if you open the route properties box, you can then click on the map and the properties box will still be displayed, but you can also change the route on the map. I don't think MS could do this. Then if you use the insert tool to extend the route or add intermediate via points, the route will recalc for each mod and the route properties box will be updated with the new change and show the revised summary and detailed data. You can have any tab open in the route properties box as you do this. This is not exactly like MS, but perhaps similar enough to be helpful?

Extending a route in Basecamp..

KWELLER
I am by no means an expert on BC. I am learning along with the rest of the users. However I know that you can extend your route in base camp once you have made a route.

Make your starting waypoint and ending waypoints. Make any other waypoints that you need to continue your route.

Click on the "New Route" button. Start your route by dragging the start and ending waypoints into the starting and destination fields of the New Route box. You will get a window that shows you the route with the two waypoints. At the bottom of the window is a box by "more info". Click on the box and a check will appear and you will see more detail about the route. The last Waypoint will show you the distance of the route you are making. If you wish to extend your route to the next waypont click on the last waypoint in the window then click on the Green + sign on the right of the window. This will open another window with your waypoints in it. Seclect your next waypoint along the route you wish to make and it will be placed at the bottom of the route. Then click on the "Recalculate" button at the bottom of the window. This will extend your route to the next waypoint. You may continue this as long as you wish. The last waypoint will show you the distance traveled.

If you have a waypoint out of order you can select the waypoint in the route and move it up or down by clicking on the up and down triangles at the right of the route window.

I hope this is what you are interested in.

BC

On the snap-to indication when hovering, Garmin is aware of that being a much requested update I believe,

Ah OK.

it will be great when it behaves similar to MS.

You know, I didn't ever think I'd be wanting something to work the same way as Mapsource which is somewhat...idiosyncratic, but that statement you just made is true in many areas.

On the updating of the route details, if you open the route properties box, you can then click on the map and the properties box will still be displayed, but you can also change the route on the map. I don't think MS could do this. Then if you use the insert tool to extend the route or add intermediate via points, the route will recalc for each mod and the route properties box will be updated with the new change and show the revised summary and detailed data. You can have any tab open in the route properties box as you do this. This is not exactly like MS, but perhaps similar enough to be helpful?

I can work with that, thank you. (BC, you're saying something similar so thanks)

At some point i seem to have turned off the New Route dialogue box because I don't usually create routes that way. Is anyone able to tell me how to turn it back on please?

This seems to have turned into a routing 101, sorry, but...

If I want to calculate a rough route in Mapsource I'll bring up a new Route Properties box then find, say, Groton, Montreal, Toronto, Niagara and add each to the route in turn; I don't need to create waypoints for them. I'm guessing Mapsource does actually create hidden waypoints as if I do the same again Mapsource tells me it is calculating a route between <name a>1 and <name b>1 but I don't see the waypoints and when I delete the route there is no trace of any waypoints it may have created. Am I correct in thinking that before I can create a route in Basecamp the waypoints need to exist already?

Kevin

I turned off the New route dialogue box once and never figured out how to get it back, ended up doing a reinstall.

Not sure I fully understand the point you're making about creating routes in Basecamp. If I want a rough route in BC I will either create a couple of waypoints, highlight them, right click and select Create route using selected waypoints, or just open the route tool and click a couple of points that I want on my rough route. Either gives me a route that I can edit later.

I turned off the New route dialogue box once and never figured out how to get it back, ended up doing a reinstall.

Oh. I've just done an uninstall/reinstall to try to resolve my 'cannot calculate route' problem but that dialogue box is still not appearing.

Not sure I fully understand the point you're making about creating routes in Basecamp. <snip>

The point was that in Mapsource I don't have to create the waypoints first (or delete them afterwards) and I suspected that in Basecamp I would have to.

Kevin

You don't have to in BC. Select the route tool and start clicking :)

You don't have to in BC. Select the route tool and start clicking :)

I've attached a screen shot of the relevant part of the map. If it was in Basecamp in front of you do you think you could start clicking on Groton (which is in Connecticut, East of New Haven I think), Montreal (you can see the name but not where the city is), Toronto (easily done) and Niagara Falls (not far from Buffalo) to create a route? Nor me!

Putting the map resolution on its highest setting doesn't help so to do it this way I'd have to zoom into each relevant portion of the map in the hope the towns would be shown (or pre-create the waypoints).

Kevin

Not sure what you want to hear :)

Of course if you can't identify the point on the map you can't click on it, but in those circumstances you can't click on it in Mapsource either.

If I was tring to do in BC what I think you're trying to do (a rough route as a starter between Groton and Niagara Falls) I'd start by creating a waypoint at the first location if I knew where it was or use the search tool to find it. Right click it and select 'Create route using selected waypoints'. Then use the search tool to find the others, once found in the search box you can right click them and select add to route. No need to save anything as a waypoint unless you want to.