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Lower VO2 Max

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So ive been doing interval trainings for roughly 1.5 month now, soccer specific (30sprint on 30s off repeat 8 times, rest 5min, repeat 8 more times) as im a soccer player.

The VO2 max estimations I had been getting where always very consistent, about 53. Just today I did the intervals again, but it was dark outside and a little slippery so I went less hard, was a much easier session overall but still felt pretty strong. Afterwards I got an estimation of 50. Was wondering if the estimation couldve been lower because I didnt go as hard? During previous sessions ive seen my HR peak at 193, but today I only got up to 183. 

  • I used to think that VO2Max was something useful, but it isn't. And it's not that Garmin is doing something wrong. Take a look at these highlights from this scientific study:

    "CGM (Central Governor Model) predicts that the body regulates exercise to prevent myocardial ischemia during exercise. This is accomplished by limiting the blood flow to the periphery which the brain accomplishes by regulating muscle recruitment. Therefore, VO2max reflects this regulation of muscles recruitment. In essence, a central governor acts as a regulator for exercise instead of exercise being limited by some parameter.

    A runner tested running versus another modality such as cycling will have different VO2max values. There is great individual variation too, between 0 and 13% in the aforementioned study.

    After 4 weeks of training using an interval program designed to elicit time at VO2max, VO2max and, more importantly, performance did not improve. In addition, even in untrained people, the [study] stated that improvements in VO2max at high intensities were not dependent on the volume of training.

    The study showed that while on average improvements were seen in a variety of endurance parameters after six weeks of endurance training, the individuality of the response was widespread with some showing even negative responses to the training.

    The change in VO2max did not correlate with the change in performance on a time trial. Studies demonstrate improved performances without changes in VO2max. In a study on a female Olympic level runner, Jones showed that while the athlete’s 3,000m time improved by 46 seconds, there VO2max decreased from 72 ml/kg/min down to 66 ml/kg/min.

    The fact that Radcliffe’s VO2max was essentially stable despite her training volume and intensity increasing substantially is intriguing. Her training increased from a modest 25-30 miles per week (and her VO2max was already 72 at the time) to 120-160 miles per week.

    In untrained subjects VO2max increased during the first 4 weeks of training, but did not increase after that even with a further increase of training, despite continued improvements in performance.

    There recognition that aerobic performance and VO2max are not direct equals or even well linked is a step in the right direction and needs to be acknowledged to a much greater degree."

    Source: https://www.scienceofrunning.com/2009/12/fallacy-of-vo2max-and-vo2max.html?v=47e5dceea252

  • In answer to your question, here is the science behind how the number is recorded. 

    discover.garmin.com/.../

  • The first sentence of this Garmin article sums up everything that is written there, but it's not science, just marketing: 'VO2 max is the defining measure of cardiorespiratory fitness and aerobic performance capacity'. No, VO2Max doesn't measure fitness, and seeing this number changing doesn't mean anything. Science is not a short text written by a company with no references to other studies, no peer-review, no proof of anything. It's just ***.

  • In regards to what the OP, was asking: "Why did my VO2 Max go down?" The simplistic answer is that the activity the heart rate and speed of the intervals  correlated with a VO2 Max estimation of 50. The article I had attached for her is the summarized version of this text.

    https://assets.firstbeat.com/firstbeat/uploads/2017/06/white_paper_VO2max_30.6.2017.pdf

    In the text itself it references that VO2 Max in elite athletes doesn't vary near as much, and also doesn't impact race prediction as much as the general population. 

    Race time prediction

    One of the most interesting application areas for VO2max information is the prediction of race time. In sedentary runners, improvements in VO2max most probably result in improvement in race time, and therefore, the prediction of race time based on VO2max is quite straightforward. In elite endurance athletes, VO2max is not the only determinant of a good race performance, since they all have high VO2max and the margins between the athletes are small. Thus, other physiological, biomechanical, and psychological factors affect the competition results significantly. For example, if a sedentary runner improves his/her VO2max by 2ml/kg/min, the marathon race time could improve an astonishing 15min, while the same absolute improvement in VO2max in an elite athlete could improve the marathon race time by only one and a half minutes! In any case, race time prediction provides interesting and concrete feedback about the current fitness level and a rough estimate of the expected ability to perform in a race. See an example of Jack Daniels’ race time prediction in Table 4 [21].