Creating Routes on Trails based on Open Cycling Maps

If you know that the OSM maps have the trails you want, the easiest thing to do is to install the OSM maps on your 820. I believe the 820 has a microSD card slot, so you can install OSM on a card. If it doesn't, there should be plenty of room available on the 820 internal storage. There are any number of places where you can find out how to put third party maps on an Edge; I believe DC Rainmaker had an article several years ago that describes the process.

Can you PM me with a link to the Garmin Connect page and indicate what path you are trying to click on?

It appears you are having an issue with the Garmin Connect website but mention the 820 (the 820 has nothing to do with the function of the website).


The website route planners appear to work by having a display layer and a routing layer. These two layers should match but don't always.

The maps installed on the 820 are also based on OSM but the version might not quite match the version that the website is using.

The maps for the website and the maps the 820 are produced separately. The maps for the 820 appear to be updated quarterly.

FWIW: I use RWGPS OSM to lay out routes for the 820. GC has never worked well in my experience.

GC has never worked well in my experience.

This is rather vague.

I've seen issues similar to what the OP has.

It can happen in any route planner. You can sometimes work through it by changing the map.

I use ridewithgps but these programs basically do the same thing.

This is rather vague...

IMO. RWGPS (and some other sites) are way way better than GC in routing and editing tools, routing options, ease of use, ability to route on trials on OSMs, responsiveness, features like cue sheets, etc. For my purposes, I find GC unusable.

Can you PM me with a link to the Garmin Connect page and indicate what path you are trying to click on?

It appears you are having an issue with the Garmin Connect website but mention the 820 (the 820 has nothing to do with the function of the website).

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Thanks, dpawlky. Yes, I know the 820 isn't part of the problem but I was unsure where to ask this question on the forum.

Here is a property with some trails that I'm having difficulty routing. All of the Blue trails don't appear clickable on Garmin Connect.

https://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=16&lat=42.5704&lon=-71.29995&layers=B0000

pkstrom

Thanks, dpawlky. Yes, I know the 820 isn't part of the problem but I was unsure where to ask this question on the forum.

This isn't technically where to ask that question but since you own a 820....

(The way you mentioned the 820 suggested that you had some idea it was related to your problem.)

Here is a property with some trails that I'm having difficulty routing. All of the Blue trails don't appear clickable on Garmin Connect.

That was useful.

It's a limitation of Garmin Connect. Connect only includes roads (usable by cars) in it's routing layer. It doesn't give you the option for using paths (for walking or cycling).

The paths show up on the display layer but they aren't in the routing layer.

You have to use some other route planner.

Ridewithgps will do what you want (so will others).

A route planning website is ridewithgps's bread-and-butter (it's not Garmin's).

Thanks, again, dpawlky!

Yes, RWGPS is much simpler and I think I'll use this instead. Can you let me know the best way to get the GPX file created onto the 820? Through Garmin Connect? If so, how?


>It's a limitation of Garmin Connect. Connect only includes roads (usable by cars) in it's routing layer. It doesn't give you the option for using paths (for walking or cycling).

There are many trails not used by cars that are routable using Garmin Connect. For example, here's a non-motorized trail system call Kingdom Trails that is fully routable using Garmin Connect.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/44.6057/-71.9305

The problem with Garmin might be that the maps are only updated quarterly, so new trails might not have the full GPX layer needed to do the route. (I'm just guessing).

thank you again for all your help.

pkstrom

Yes, RWGPS is much simpler and I think I'll use this instead. Can you let me know the best way to get the GPX file created onto the 820? Through Garmin Connect? If so, how?

If you have a ridewithgps subscription, ridewithgps will download the course file to your 800 directly.

If you don't have a subscription, here's what to do:

View the route in ridewithgps and click on the EXPORT tab at the upper right.

Click on "TCX Course" or "GPX Track (.gpx)". Either will work.

This will download the course file to your computer (probably, into the "Downloads" folder). (I'm presuming you are using Windows but OSX works similarly.)

Then, you can copy the file from the "Downloads" folder to the "\Garmin\NewFiles" folder on the drive that shows up when you connect your 820 to your computer. Keep in mind that the 820 uses only the first 10-12 characters of the course name (so make sure the course you are loading are different in the first 10-12 characters of the name). (Renaming the file won't fix this; the course name in ridewithgps has to be different).

(There are other ways of doing this but the way I've described works for everybody.)


The TCX file will also include the cuesheet entries as "course points", which is how turn-instructions are supported on units that don't use maps (like the 500/510). If you've enabled using course points on your 820, these will pop-up when you get close to them (these are in addition to the big white arrow turn guidance).

There are many trails not used by cars that are routable using Garmin Connect. For example, here's a non-motorized trail system call Kingdom Trails that is fully routable using Garmin Connect.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/44.6057/-71.9305

I was considering looking at other examples. Thanks for providing one.

I agree the Billerica paths should be routable. I don't use Connect, which means I am not entirely familiar with the specifics of how it works (I understand how the routing/map stuff works generally).

The problem with Garmin might be that the maps are only updated quarterly, so new trails might not have the full GPX layer needed to do the route. (I'm just guessing).

The Billerica paths were last updated a year ago. I don't think we know how often the website maps are updated. (The maps installed on the 820 appear to be updated roughly every quarter but that has nothing to do with the website).

The issue could either be an update issue OR it could be how roads/paths are included in the routing layer (note that the display layer is different from the routing layer).

In this case, something isn't right (unless, the paths are actually new).

It appears Connect uses OSM map data through Mapquest (I suspect Connect is using Mapquest for the routing layer).

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Are the Billerica paths "rough" mountain bike trails? Or are they suitable/graded for road bikes?