Screen won't work with gloves on

The same problem is with many mobile phones... It can be completely avoided by using physical buttons (really? used micro has no available gpio's, or i2c,...). Anyway, I really like edge remote (while it works....but this is a completely another story) - this is a must for 820/1030 and should be in the bundle...

Just purchased an Edge 1030 to replace my Edge 1000 that now has a broken power button after about 4 years of use. Yesterday, with outside temps 29 degrees Fahrenheit, my Edge 1030 screen worked just fine with Pearl Izumi Lobster claw thick winter gloves, which are NOT Touch Screen gloves. Your mileage may vary, but other than some inaccurate touches due to the goofy claws, with the screen sensitivity set on "high" everything worked just fine. The ride was about 3 hours in the cold, so the screen and internals were cool.

There is another thread on this very subject.
https://forums.garmin.com/forum/into-sports/cycling/edge-1030-aa/1417892-dear-garmin

A whole new level of farce was achieved by my 1030 today.
Updated fw on second ride 1030 decided that I should stop and reconnect my cadence sensor FKW. Unit wouldn't respond to my gloved fingers, so stop, remove, remedy test and keep riding. Miraculously I was able to swipe to my preferred screen. I tried again and once more it swiped. Hmm well only left to right and right to left achieved nothing whatsoever. Ever grateful for the few small improvements in this unit, I rode on, swiping left to right was typically inconsistent and at times a dangerous distraction but it was swiping after a fashion, not reliable or consistent, but this is the 1030 so what else could one expect? Sure enough the inconsistency eventually became an abject failure as it stubbornly refused to swipe on instruction from my gloved fingers.
How any serious person anywhere can find even remotely acceptable is simply beyond me.

I've been using full fingered gloves for the past couple of weeks. They are Assos gloves designed to be worn under heavier gloves, but they are warm enough for Southern California. They work most of the time on my Edge 1030. This is a replacement of the one I purchased, after I experienced the halo around the screen. These same gloves worked on the older unit, too. My biggest problem is touching the screen in the right place, due to the seams on the end of the fingers in the gloves.

All, I think the issue is actually that Garmin uses a capacitive screen as stated in https://www.garmin.com/en-US/blog/fi...new-edge-1030/ but misrepresents how it should work in the following statement "...Ideal for riding no matter the weather conditions, the Edge 1030 features a 3.5-inch high-resolution, capacitive touch panel display that is quick and responsive – even when wet or used with gloves."



Capacitive screens, like the one on your iPhone, only work when the electrical current on the screen variation is completed. Most gloves don't do this.


Read https://itstillworks.com/kind-touch-...use-18254.html



"Limitations: Capacitive touch screens such as the iPhone are configured to detect the conductivity level of a human finger. This means that most other objects such as a pen or stylus won't work, limiting the possibilities for applications that rely on precise positioning and movement, such as drawing apps. The iPhone screen also struggles to detect your input if you are wearing ordinary gloves, though you can buy special gloves with a custom fingertip surface designed to operate capacitive touch screens."
So for those that get the screen to work with gloves on they're probably wet or you're getting lucky. Either way it will be hit or miss unless you use gloves with a conductive fiber in the fingertip. Check out Wirecutter for some gloves that "should" work.


thewirecutter.com/.../


I'm not saying this is the definitive answer but reading this thread and the information given, unless Garmin responds otherwise, I'd expect the above to be accurate and hope it helps.

All, I think the issue is actually that Garmin uses a capacitive screen as stated in https://www.garmin.com/en-US/blog/fi...new-edge-1030/ but misrepresents how it should work in the following statement "...Ideal for riding no matter the weather conditions, the Edge 1030 features a 3.5-inch high-resolution, capacitive touch panel display that is quick and responsive – even when wet or used with gloves."



Capacitive screens, like the one on your iPhone, only work when the electrical current on the screen variation is completed. Most gloves don't do this.


Read https://itstillworks.com/kind-touch-...use-18254.html



"Limitations: Capacitive touch screens such as the iPhone are configured to detect the conductivity level of a human finger. This means that most other objects such as a pen or stylus won't work, limiting the possibilities for applications that rely on precise positioning and movement, such as drawing apps. The iPhone screen also struggles to detect your input if you are wearing ordinary gloves, though you can buy special gloves with a custom fingertip surface designed to operate capacitive touch screens."
So for those that get the screen to work with gloves on they're probably wet or you're getting lucky. Either way it will be hit or miss unless you use gloves with a conductive fiber in the fingertip. Check out Wirecutter for some gloves that "should" work.


thewirecutter.com/.../


I'm not saying this is the definitive answer but reading this thread and the information given, unless Garmin responds otherwise, I'd expect the above to be accurate and hope it helps.

Well I appreciate your technical input, the fact remains that there is absolutely no consistency to rider experiences with gloves. Indeed the writer who mentions that on the same ride with same gloves, one unit functions perfect;y well whilst the other is an abject failure and that points the finger at QC failings.
A common feature is that gloves which worked perfectly well with previous versions do not work with the 1030. My own experience of last week (no rain + few v small puddles) where it would swipe in only one direction for a few hours but less & less consistently until it failed altogether is extremely difficult to fathom and simply cannot be about the gloves; appearing to be yet another example of the unit having an insane mind of its own.
I'd like to say that a Company of G's standing would not publish such contradictory information & would be a damn sight more careful about unproven claims in sales literature. But I have more faith in you (a random stranger) than G with the multiple failings of its flagship product over 15 months and zero sign of any resolution. Based on flawed firmware releases that were not properly tested I conclude that the 1030 was likewise not properly tested prior to release. The alternative is that G knew of the problems but cynically sought to recover its R&D costs by selling a product they knew did not work properly with only a vague notion it could ever be satisfactorily fixed and no plan B for if it couldn't. I cant be the only one refusing to spend another penny on anything branded G.
I'm sorry if this seems unduly negative towards you & your findings, as it most definitely isn't.
Abandoned by G, we're grateful for any help that happens our way and there is little doubt your info will help some - you're not the first to advise an alternative glove. I have a quite a range (Assos, Rapha, Sealskinz, Gore & Sportful). I select the day's glove based on colour.. yeah, I know!
Happy New Year to you and thank you very much for your input(s)

I'm not understanding this discussion. Certainly Garmin should have stated in their sales info that not all gloves will work with the 1030 but now that it is known that the screen is similar to a smartphones screens, just use gloves designed for those screens or return the 1030. I've added a small amount of conductive thread to the finger tip of some of my older gloves and they work fine.

I lick the end of my glove on the fingertip and that usually does the trick, tastes gross :-)