VO2Max measurment

Hello, I have a question regarding how VO2Max is calculated on Garmin devices. Over the past two months, I have been training intensively (including interval and lactate threshold runs) and have also lost weight from 84 kg to 79 kg on Garmin Scale S2. However, my VO2Max has only increased from 48 to 50 ml/kg/min.

Theoretically, just the weight loss should result in a more significant improvement in VO2Max, as it is calculated relative to body weight. For example, a 5% drop in weight should lead to a similar percentage increase in VO2Max if the absolute oxygen uptake remains unchanged.

My questions are:

  • Does Garmin use the most recent weight for each VO2Max calculation, or does it average the weight over a certain period?
  • Could the stagnation in VO2Max be due to the algorithm weighting older data more heavily or the variability in training data?

Thanks

  • There is no published answer about whether the weight is used for the VO2 Max calculation before it is divided by weight for benchmarking purposes. Since the VO2 Max model links physiological cost  (VO2 linked to HR/HRV) to output (pace), your weight is definitely a factor since the heavier, the harder it is to reach and maintain a certain pace.

    if the absolute oxygen uptake remains unchanged.

    Since weight may not be a linear factor in the physiological cost model, the decreased in cost due to lower weight might not be strictly be neutralized by decrease in the weight denominator when your normalize VO2 Max.

    However, my VO2Max has only increased from 48 to 50 ml/kg/min.

    This is already a decent increase for 2 months. Depending on your age and your body ability to sustain the cost of training, there is a natural limit for your VO2 Max, so you will hit a plateau.

    "Indeed, a beginner may increase his/her fitness level during 4-
    10 weeks of successive training by up to 10-20% [18-19],
    although even 44% increase in VO2max in ten weeks has been
    reported for persons with average aerobic fitness, by using very
    high-intensity interval training [20"

    https://assets.firstbeat.com/firstbeat/uploads/2017/06/white_paper_VO2max_30.6.2017.pdf

  • This question has been asked quite often. The answer is, we don’t know. There is the paper of first beat, who claims it is very scientific (but there is no peer review, so we don’t know how accurate it it, or that it is only marketing). Then we have no clue if garmin developers implemented the algorithms described in the paper and we don’t know how well they implemented it (garmin has a reputation of delivering half baked software)

    I can share my experiences but I have done that before and garmin fanboys don’t like that.

    my opinion:
    Go to a sport medical center if you want to know your vo2max.

    do coopertests if you want to have a good indication of your vo2max.

    use garmin if you just want to quantify your life.

  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but if everything else is the same, only the weight is different, then the heavier you are the higher your VO2max is. Am I wrong?

  • Yes, that's my opinion. VO2Max is measured in ml/kg/min – with "/kg" referring to your weight. So, the absolute volume of oxygen remains the same but is calculated for a lighter body. Of course, Garmin watches provide only a rough estimation. But how can I trust these numbers when the most basic factor isn’t taken into account? :D It’s better without such a magically conjured value. Personally, I view all these metrics – VO2Max, lactate threshold, hill performance, endurance – as more like fun numbers than anything else.

  • I think even garmin wouldn't say that they are accurate compared to a lab test. IMHO for most users it would be enough if we knew it was consistent for us. In other words if its off by some number but its moving up and down similar to what a lab test would.

  • Yes, that's my opinion. VO2Max is measured in ml/kg/min – with "/kg" referring to your weight.

    Keep in mind that this is not a realistic scenario. If you gain weight, your ventilation will increase to keep the same pace, maybe not in a linear way as I said above, and this will depend on the king of weight you lose/put on (fat, muscle mass, hydration levels, etc.).

    The "/kg" denominator will change linearly of course. The net result on your Vo2 Max is uncertain. That's what tests are for.