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My average speed for a year, at running, is 7:39/km. My watch training program is suggesting me to run at 6:45 for 50 min, with 8 x 1 km at 4:39. How can I reduce the strength of such dangerous training wishes? An injury won't be long to come.

At running, my average speed for a year, is 7:39/km.

A very good day, I speed up to 6:50 a kilometer, and one time per month a special with 6:30. A personal record of 5:50 a kilometer, once...
Garmin Connect has my run data for a year, and know my level of 4 on 10 (running 2 or 3 times a week, for 45 min) set in my profile.

So, why are my watches (Forerunner 55 then 965) always suggesting me for training, 45 minutes at 6:40/km ?
Or, later (in this thread), 6:45 for 50 min, with 8 x 1 km at 4:39?

It's never possible. And the training program never stop suggesting me these duration (or 1 h) for that speed.
At the risk of injuries. Because going so each time at maximal speed, strength or over for a long time... Day after day: there's no other issue.

Can this be corrected ?

  • I'd sub for the answers as well.

    Personally, I think that garmin pushes too hard into the competition category (instead of recreational / health / fitness targets) and forces you to commit more in zone 4.

    With a normal, long zone 2 training (relatively slow pace), it seems to be impossible to reach the "Productive" stage, no matter how long you are doing it.

    So yes, garmin wants you to run faster and push your aerobic limits more - I really don't know why, 99.99% of users here probably don't want to win the next Olympics, and pushes too hard could easily result in overtraining.

  • 6:40/km is in my experience the mediocrity that you should run in this workout. But when you start the run, you should be allowed to have a tolerance in the pace, from (I'm not quite sure now) From +\- one minute. So you can also run the run with 7:20-7:40/km and are still in the green area. The watch will also tell you whether you are still in the tolerance range or not.

  • I did what I've can, but now it is suggesting me 8 x 1 minute (to choose in a run of 54 minutes) at 4:39 km/min !


    My best time at running ever is 5.50 (=> 10.3 km/h), and it wants me to succeed at 13.7 km/h, eight times (for more than 220 meters, each time) ?!

    Increase my maximal speed by a third ?!

  • That's training is definitively too strong for me.
    Training at the limit of my maximal capacities (or over), each training session isn't possible.

    Isn't smooth. Even more: is surely dangerous.

    How can I force Garmin watch of Garmin Connect to reduce its training goals?

    Garmin Connect has my run data for a year, and know my level of 4 on 10 (running 2 or 3 times a week, for 45 min).

    Can other settings be applied elsewhere to reduce the strength of its wishes?

  • I am 53 years old, and doesn't have the specialist / center able to tell me what is my maximal HR.

    I've tried many settings, as according to my watch who is granting me a 48 years old physical age, and my own feelings, I've set it to 173.

    I can't delete my 46 VO2 max number : if I do so, it reappears few runs after.

    I''m still running around 7:39 min/km with a max speed for a kilometer of 5:50 min/km (measurements made on hundred of runs during one year and half), and gone in trouble when my watch once suggested me to run 8 times a kilometer at 4:39 in a single training, ago.

    Yet, after more than ten consecutive days where the watch was pretending I was exhausted and unable to run (1 for preparation of training), but some of you (in another thread) told me it could be explainable (and this is why I've set my HR max to 173) my watch suggested me today to run for 45 minutes, with 10 Sprints at 3:25 min/km (17.5 km/h).

    Does my watch wants me to die? To injury myself strongly?

    Please register that bug, as the training calculations are definitively flawed.

    To Garmin operationals who could wish to respond. It's not necessary. Just take the problem into account and register it. And please do not  try to justify what cannot be. It's not the HR Max, it's not the VO2 max that are in cause. It's a falling software issue. I can set my HR max from 167 to 178, whatever I want : my watch works only with two states :

    • exhausted, stop everything!
    • or attempt mad things, unachievable, except at the risk of injury.


    It's understandable that the watch software cannot be perfect, and the list of fixes you've already sent suggest that plenty others are to come.

    Be here, more than being unusable, the training suggestions are dangerous.
    Don't try to relativize. Take only this problem into account, please.

  • Please reach out to Product Support directly so one of our agents can take a closer look into your account and gather examples, and any necessary files. 

  • I've set my FC max to 173) my watch suggested me today to run for 45 minutes, with 10 Sprints at 3:25 min/km (17.5 km/h).

    What do you mean with FC Max I do not understand. Is it Heart Rate (HR) Max you talking about. 

    Also the suggestions you got are they from the Daily suggestions or a program created from garmin connect? 

    I am 50+ and I can run those 3:25 sprint intervals without dying and I have a VO2 of 47; however they are very exhausting and I have to push myself really hard during the sprint. Often those sprints does not last more than 10 seconds even though the complete training is much longer with most of it at much lower pace. You really need to push you at the hardest doing these anaerobic intervals from time to time to increase your VO2 which the Daily suggestions is all about. With this said you also need to listen to your body. If any heart issues or in any other way not recommended to do these high pulse intervals then skip them. Not worth risk dying for as you said. You can not follow the watch without also listening to your body. No watch will never know your body better than you so use your judgement here

    Those 45 minutes how were they distributed. How long does the sprints last. Which other paces and for how long

    If you use daily suggestions you can also change target type from speed to heart rate. Do this by enter the today’s suggestion on watch and press the START button. Select settings and then Target type and set it to Heart Rate