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965 and External HRM

Hi,

I'm primarily a cyclist and use an Edge 1040 with a Garmin HRM-Dual and Vector 3 pedals for most of my workouts/rides. I use my watch (a new 965) primarily as a daily wearable, and for non-cycling activities (hikes, snowshoeing, etc.). I've paired my external HRM to the watch so it records a more accurate reading during cycling activities. When paired to the external HRM the HR widget on the watch face and the HR glance still show the heart rate reading from the optical wrist meter. When I select the HR glance it shows the optical wrist measurement initially, but within 2 seconds it starts showing the reading from the external HRM. When I go back to the watch face, it resumes showing the reading from the optical sensor.

This feels like a bug. Has anyone experienced a similar issue? I really want to use the external HRM strap during cycling activities so I don't have dual record on my watch and Edge in order to get the most accurate HR reading on the watch.

Thanks

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 1 year ago
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  • Thanks for the quick reply. The manual for the 965 states:

    "Enables or disables the wrist heart rate monitor. The default value is Auto, which automatically uses the wrist heart rate monitor unless you pair an external heart rate monitor."

    https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/GUID-0221611A-992D-495E-8DED-1DD448F7A066/EN-US/GUID-AB9A0CB2-FA4B-4AD0-894B-B4B6808642A7.html

    Is this only true during activity recording? I.e. the internal optical HRM is always using during 24/7 mode, but the watch will use an external HRM if it's present during activity recording mode.

    If so, what should I do during a cycling activity when I'm also using an Edge 1040? The normal 24/7 heart rate readings from the optical sensor are fine for 24/7 recording, but are very inaccurate (off by 70-80 bpm) during an activity. 

    Hopefully I don't need to dual record (watch and Edge) to get the most accurate heart rate recorded on the watch during a cycling activity.

    Thanks

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 1 year ago in reply to kcfwpi
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  • This is incredibly helpful, thank you! One last question: will my Body Battery, Training Readiness, and other metrics that are exclusive to the 965 use the inaccurate heart rate data recorded by the 24/7 optical mode, or will it pull in the more accurate data from the external HRM after my Edge 1040 syncs (i.e. is this covered by Unified Training Status)?

    Thanks

  • During the activities it will use external HRM data. Otherwise the data from the internal Sensor. 

  • the wrist HR (internal) is not inaccurate. in fact, this is far best wrist HR in garmin watches (even within the elevate V4 series). 

    it is lagged, though, with several seconds, and probably won't record sharp changes in HR. however, this won't affect the 24/7 reading, because in the daily recording targets (stress -> body battery, resting HR, nightly HRV) all these particularities do not really matter.

  • In my experience, the wrist optical HR sensor is very close to a chest strap when the watch is actually recording an activity, but in non-activity mode (referred to as 24/7 mode above), it's 70-80bpm different than a chest strap.

    I've read that during activity recording it uses a more-sensitive (and higher power consumption) mode, which is why it's more accurate compared to 24/7. Would love for Garmin to confirm this.

  • in non stress situations (such as not exercising, resting, sleeping, during normal life) your heart rate goes up and down continuously as you breath in and out, so there is really no point to have a higher sampling rate (otherwise you could end up with a pulsating HR value) (also, you HR is lower in normal life, so the less frequent sampling makes sense).

    because of this, you'd need to average out the reading through time to get reasonably representing HR and you can absolutely do that with less sampling rate.

    however, the stress level is based on HRV and you'd need precise RR intervals for that, so the watch goes a higher sampling rate mode from time to time to assess that (you can check if you go to the stress glance, the light will run continuously, instead of flashing).


  • Thanks for that information! So the power usage is decreased by lowering the sampling rate when not in activity recording mode. But the rate is occasionally increased to take HRV readings. Do you know what the decreased sampling rate is? I did a 4 minute interval earlier today where my heart rate was between 150 and 165 (according to chest strap), and the watch never read above 100 (not in activity recording mode).

  • I don't think that this watch is designed or capable handling HRs outside of normal daily HR range (up to ~100) in the 24 hour recording.

    One workaround could be to start an activity - while you can go back to the watch face, it will revert back to the activity screen after a while, so it is not a 100% solution for that.

    I'd be curious, though, whether any other watch is capable of that - probably yes.