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First impression: it isn’t that much better than my old fr 935

Received my new 965 yesterday and did a first workout. My impressions so far:

Ohr still doesn’t work for me. It didn’t work on my fr935. It didn’t work on my tomtom before that. And it doesn’t work on the 965. (yes, I tried all the tricks and tips)

Gps is about the same. I never had any problems with the gps on my 935. The trail of the 965 looks similar than that of previous workouts in the same area with my 935.  I’m not that interested in a perfect trail. Current pace is more important. It seems slightly better but I have to look into that some more.

Sleep monitor still sucks. I had a terrible night and was awake for hours. My 965 reported only 7 minutes of awake time and tolled me I had a good night sleep. Same bs as on my 935.

Saw a few glitches in the software. Most obvious redraw problems with the watchface (one of the default garmins). But it’s garmin software, so nothing new there. Will find lots of other glitches.

The screen looks great but haven’t been out in the sun. I never had any problem with the screen of my 935, but you get more compliments about the 965’s screen. I do miss the possibility to glance at your watch to see the time wihtout moving your arm. You cannot sneakpeak what time it is. Raise your arm to turn it on works about as good/bad as on my old 935. (But on my old 935 I only needed it during workouts in the dark, with the 965 you need it all the time. It still has quite big bezels, but not as huge as on my 935.

Batterylife I cannot tell yet.

Bluetooth connection to my iPhone seems to be better. With my 935 that was really problematic (when I was away from my phone it didn't reconnect automaticly most of the time)

Charging port still sucks, probably. It's the same wobbly connector. The cable now has usb-c on one side, but I have no problem with usb-a. Guess it's a good thing to move from usb-a to c, but for charging my watch not a mayor difference.

Price. It’s f***ing expensive.

Case size. It's about the size of a fr 935, which I find acceptable. Don't want a bigger watch. The fr 955 has become quite bulky and this one is slimmer again (due to the amoled screen??)

Luckily you can turn of most random data generators, like body battery, training readiness etc. (Yes, I think they are bs. First, sleepscore is definitely wrong and that is one of the inputs. Second, at best it only confirms how you already feel.)

This may sound I’m disappointed with the new watch. Not really. My 935 served my well for 6 years but can’t hold a charge anymore. I hope this watch will also last 6 years. If it does it’s a great watch.

If you have a 945 or a 955 or even a well functioning 935 and looking for training changing features, don’t buy a new 965. It’s really not better than existing watches. If you like a new gadget or fancy a pretty screen, a 965 will suit uou.

(why didn’t I buy the cheaper 265, which would also do everything I want? Battery is the only reason to buy a new watch. A bigger battery last longer and will still have decent batterylife after 5 or 6 years)

  • This is a very confusing post

  • Confusing? How so?

    I think it is quite clear. If your old watch isn’t working anymore and you’re looking for a replacement that can last many years, the 965 is a good choice.

    If you’re expecting miracle changes in the way you train (or your life in general), you’re wasting your money.

    I’m not a garminfanboy nore a hater. I just told you my impressions.

  • Ok. But who would be expecting that? You think people here need to be told not to expect “miracle changes” in the way they train?

  • I‘Ve read reviews by well regarded reviewers that a 965 is a great update.

    Also, there are quite a few people who have trouble using the ohr. Reviewers claim the readings are perfect (but they claimed the same 6 years ago) I think those people want to know if a 965 works better for someone who had problems with a 935.

    Also gps. Reviewers claim you cannot do without multiband gps. If you’re not obsessed with perfect trails on strava, there is no need to update (and like I said, in easy environments I haven’t seen any improvements compared to my old 935)

    Like I said, I’m happy with my new watch and I hope it last a long time. 

    Sorry if I offended some fanboys by not praising garmins latest gadget more.

  • I’m not sure how you got onto “fanboy” language and such. Was that an insult at me?

    Anyway, confusing as you spent many paragraphs explaining how bad everything is and that you’ve turned everything off. But then you’re actually not disappointed and hope to still be using the watch in 5-6 years. 

    But all good. Maybe an Apple Watch, Samsung, or similar might give you a better experience? Always nice to be using something that works for you personally. 

  • Let me frase it differently.

    My impressions are not for people who buy every new garmin device. My impressions are for people who buy a watch because they need a new one, not because they want a new one. This is for the people who look at their watch and think it is still fine but wonder if a new watch would benefit them.

    Apple or Samsung have other drawbacks. 
    I’m a pretty experienced endurance runner. I know a thing or 2 about training programs. Don’t need a watch for that. I also know my body pretty well. I don’t need my watch to confirm how I already feel.

    Like most people, we are all different. Please accept that. If you think the watch is perfect, that’s fine with me.

    And to be honest, most reviews are just a sum up of the feature list. I can read that for myself. I’m more interested in the not so goods, to be able to decide if I can live with the glitches.

  • I mean, if you choose to not use all the extra features/stats and don't care about other upgrades then yeah... it is not much of an upgrade.

    But objectively:

    From a 1,2" 240x240 mips non-touch to a 1.4" 454x454 oled touch screen

    Multiband GPS (you might not need it, but it IS way faster and more precise especially in more difficult circumstances) Depending on how you use it (more precise pace for intervals for example) a proper addition. Again, depends on the user.

    Quite a bit faster (cpu/responsiveness) which makes it a moire pleasant device

    Tons of new metrics/stats: Sure, you might find them nonsense and have no use for them but that surely is not the case for everyone

    You get maps on the device, you might not use them but for others (like me) they are a sellinbg point

    Probably multiple other things I forget...

    OHR is not working for me (since the 945) anymore either, before that it was perfectly usable actually... 935 and before that even back to my first TomTom watches. OHR is simply very personal, works great for some and like crap for others.

    So sure, for you it might not be that much better compared t the 935 but there are plenty improvements and upgrades overall.

  • Like I said, different people look at watches and functionality differently. 

    It's like you try to convince my that I'm wrong and I should judge watches only on the length of their featurelists. 

  • Having had the 630, then 745 , 955  they  improved substantially . Though I could still to this day manage fine with the 630 if it was new (battery wise), it was a great piece of kit. It had most of the RD with an HRM - which I always have to use , no watch works for me with activities Apple Watch neither. I loved its touch screen , which is why the 955 was nice to have it again!

  • If you are happy with the features of your FR935 and not looking for maps, dual band GPS, or any of the new training status/health features that Garmin has added over the past six or so years, then I absolutely agree with you.  My 935 was absolutely one of the most stable and solid Garmin watches I have owned (the 935 was my fourth and I am currently on my eighth).  I was really disappointed when I upgraded to the 945 and switched over to the Fenix line for a while after that because of the problems.

    For me, the biggest game-changing feature was having maps onboard for trail running in new areas, but Garmin adds these things because some people want them.  Others won't.  Honestly, if you were fine with the 935, you definitely could have been satisfied with the 255 (or 265 if you wanted to try the AMOLED display).  If you don't care about triathlon, you may have even gotten away with the 55.