Garmin Triathlon Coach adaptative training

3108860 said:

Do triathlon will be available in 955 series?

7dfcd1938c0146f1804397d33ddc9c14 said:

i wouldn't count on it

Me neither.

This is a big advertisement point for the new Forerunner 970. Why would Garmin take this exclusive feature and port it to old watches?
Maybe, or probably, to the new Gen of Fenix 8, but not to  FR x55/x65 and Fenix 7 series.

Well this is a software feature, not a hardware one, so yeah this feature should be pushed out.  Do you need a new Mac/iphone or Windows PC if they add new software features?   Obviously, something like ECG which requires hardware would be expected to require a new watch.

packetlosss said:

Do you need a new Mac/iphone or Windows PC if they add new software features?

Yes, you do.
For Windows 11 you need a TPM2 and "supported" processor (even though it would work on much older hardware).

Even though it is "just software", the new UI/start menu of Windows 11 is not backported to Win 10. Compared to that, with Linux every UI is just some packages you install on top of the core system.

And for the Apple side: Yes, you need new hardware for new software features. For example, the iPhone 7 does not get the newest iOS for a long time now (last was 15). You need newer hardware for newer iOS.
Because it needs more power? NO! Proof for that: AppleTV 4K (1. Gen) has tvOS 18.5 (which is a basic iOS) - and it has the SAME Apple A10 Fusion SoC like the iPhone 7.

Long story short: It is common, that software features are connected to buying new hardware.
It is not that I say, it is good - it just is common. Garmin are not the only ones to do it.

Not true at all and your example are not appropriate comparisons.  TPM2 is a soft requirement and you can install Windows 11 without it (and it runs fine without it).  I'm running it on all my pcs, both new gen and a few that are over 8 years old.

The iPhone 7 is nowhere near the equivalent of a 765/755.   Up until a month ago the 765 was the flagship forerunner.  The iphone 12 can run the most recent IOS update, there are some functions that don't work due to requiring new hardware only in the 16, but that is expected.  You can still run the latest IOS and have all the latest software only features.

In any event, there is a difference between hardware refreshes and software refreshes.  If something requires new hardware then clearly you can't add it to old devices.  A properly designed watch OS should be designed such that it runs fine on old (within a reasonable generational range - i.e. there isn't much of a hardware difference between 965 and 970 - flashlight, new optical HR) as well as new watches and obviously features that require hardware not available wouldn't work without said hardware.

packetlosss said:

Not true at all and your example are not appropriate comparisons.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

I won't go into detail here, because it is irrelevant. Let me just get one point straight: Windows 11 *officially* hardly requires TPM2 and a processor from the compatibility list - end of story. What you are doing is a hack, that is not officially supported.

And beside, you are missing the point.
Completely.
I was saying all along, that there is no *technical* reason why Win 11 would not be compatible to older PCs (or iOS 18 to a iPhone 7 or else). It is a pure marketing decision, to boost sales for newer hardware.

And THAT is the point.

Again: I am not saying it is right, or it is good. But it is common. Garmin is not the only ones doing it. Get over it - you can get angry about it, but you cannot force someone to backport things, because "it is just software". Especially not, when the marketing strategy has been chosen to boost the new devices.

Microsoft doesn't make money off hardware sales.   

The reason for TPM is one of security.  They let you install Windows 11 without it, it's rather easy, they just want you to understand what you are giving up by doing so.  This would be like the new EU security requirements around health data transmission and Garmin releasing a new OS that "requires it" officially, but letting you backdoor it onto old devices that don't have the hardware to support it.  There are *legal* reasons for this, not technical or planned obsolescence.  

At this point in time, any MB manufactured even 5 years ago included TPM.   MB's manufactured even 10 years ago could accept a TPM module.   Again this is a feature requiring a specific piece of hardware for functionality, yet you can still use it without it, or add it in to pretty much any existing hardware.  I'd welcome such an ability for a Garmin device.  I'd pay $20 to plug in additional hardware to support a newer OS feature.

I would not say any of this is common.  It's only common with closed system, but even Apple is fairly accommodating with their software updates and supporting old hardware.  They do make money off hardware sales, yet my iphone 12 still receives the same updates as my iphone16. 

packetlosss said:

Microsoft doesn't make money off hardware sales.   

Not that it is relevant for our discussed topic, but: Yes of course they do!

When you buy a new laptop with MS Windows preinstalled, you also buy a new license for Windows! (And most people do it like that - only few transfer a license from an older device to a new one)
At Lenovo webshop you can even see, how much Microsoft makes with this licenses, because most Thinkpads you can configure without OS, with Linux, with Win Home or Win Pro.
Win Home is around 60 Euro and Win Pro 120 Euro (German Lenovo webshop). My T16 Gen1 I ordered with Ubuntu for 30 Euro, btw.

packetlosss said:

It's only common with closed system

Sure, and Garmin is a closed system.

OK, this will be my last post in this thread. CU!

Sometimes shiny new features get backported to older watches six months to a year after the launch of the new watch.