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13.22 bug: airplane mode is turned on, both the bluetooth headphones and ant+ HR belt is still connected

ysmull
over 2 years ago

I turned on airplane mode and started exercising, but the watch was still connected to my polar h10 using ANT+.

12.09 update:

I turned on airplane mode, and both the watch face and my headphones showed that the connection remained open。

  • 0 over 2 years ago

    Airplane mode should disable transmission, but when connecting to an external HR strap, the watch is just receiving.

  • 0 over 2 years ago

    It is not the Watch that is the problem it is your Polar H10 (and any other Ant+ device for that matter). 

    Your watch does not need to disable Ant+ in Airplane mode as it cannot send any data but only receive, and for that reason not part of the Airplane-regulations.

    Many other watches are having the same issues. Ofcourse if you had an expectation of that you could save som battery-juice when being in airplane-mode...then it is not the case in this situation.

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to tmk2

    When the user turns on airplane mode, the user wants the phone to be able to cut off any connection, not just let theequipment not send messages but still receive some messages.

  • +1 over 2 years ago in reply to parentoft

    You assume that I turn on airplane mode to save power.

    In fact, I just wanted to compare the heart rate of the watch and the heart rate of the HR band, and it was not until I finished the exercise that I found that the data collected by them were exactly the same, both were from heart rate band.

    Okay，I would assume that Garmin not shutting down ANT+ in airplane mode is consistent with the Wikipedia definition of airplane mode. But now how to explain that when I turn on airplane mode, the watch is still connected to my headphones via Bluetooth protocol？

    You wouldn't want to say that it still fits the definition (or regulation) of airplane mode, since many countries do allow the use of Bluetooth on airplanes.

    Any normal phone, when the user turns on airplane mode, will immediately cut off Bluetooth and WiFi (though you can turn it on later)

    I think Garmin should think from the perspective of the user and have more empathy, instead of coldly replying to the customer that "there is no mistake in this design since it does not violate the definition of XXX". When the user turns on the airplane mode, the user expects the watch to cut off any connection, that's all

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to ysmull
    ysmull said:
    When the user turns on airplane mode, the user wants the phone to be able to cut off any connecti

    That depends on the user. I turn on airplane mode when I want to turn off any transmission from the watch, and I don't care if the watch can still receive. And that's what airplane mode is for by definition. If you want to use it for other purpose, then I guess it's your problem and not garmin's.

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to ysmull

    Again you are missing the definition of "Airplane mode". - Bluetooth is NOT part of that definition. You can easily test that by taking your Iphone or Android phone and turn on AIrplane mode and you will still see that Bluetooth is enabled by default.

    Bluetooth allows for short-range data transfer between devices and therefore not part of the official Airplane mode definition

    Definition of Airplane mode:

    1. a setting on a smartphone or tablet for use on board an aircraft, in which the device does not receive or transmit wireless signals and so does not interfere with the aircraft's communication systems.
      "travellers will have to toggle their devices to airplane mode"


  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to tmk2

    @tmk2 I have to say that is a bull$hit...how can it be his problem, I mean wtf...now you upset me.

    I also want the same behavior as an airplane mode on the phones. I have it turned all the time to save the battery...and now I found out it doesn't do...anything what I intended to use it for.

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to Cuba1hr

    The problem here seems to me that you expect that all communication is turned off when in airplane mode. But that is NOT the definition of airplane mode at all. 

    If you got an Apple Iphone you can try that for yourself. Turn on bluetooth and then put your phone into airplane mode and you will see that bluetooth is still on - it is simply by design and defition.

    I do understand your request that it would be nice to be able to turn off all communication - but be aware of that bluetooth uses no energy unless it is connected to a device. So there's no point in turning it off if it comes down to saving power.

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to parentoft

    Thats not true. At least Samsung disables Bluetooth in airplane mode by default. What is your source for that definition?

    Wikipedia's definition is a bit different.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane_mode 

    "Wi-Fi and Bluetooth can be enabled separately while the device is in a pseudo-airplane mode, as allowed by the operator of the aircraft"

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to parentoft

    I got it, but it isn't ysmull's problem. I doubt that the watch will use the same amount of power/battery with all communications off or when it "seeks" BT/ANT+ signal. I guess I have been disabling airplane mode off unnecessarily for using BT HRM. Let me try that now, I'm curious. 

    Wow...all sensors BT HRM and cadence ANT+ not detected. When you go to Sensors & Accessories - Airplane mode enabled...so it doesn't work, exactly as I thought earlier. I still haven't updated to v13.2x from 12. I guess it only works if previously connected, but I disconnect or stop the sensors right after the activity anyways.

    That Tactix models have such an option to disable all communication, I think...that option should work even if the sensor was connected before.