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update to 8.2 increased Exercise Load significant

here is a screenshot of 2 exactly identical interval training sessions only differnce is before and after the update(6-nov vs 6-jan).

it looks like these new calculated values are way to high.

also my VO2max value declined from 61 to 55.

in oktober i ran a marathon with a exercise load of 346, my speed is not changed when it is compared to my heartrate.

gave it some time(more than 3 weeks) to readjust to the new/changed algorithm but think there is something wrong.

what can i do to get this fixed?

  • I fully agree ! since the update i noticed the same.

    Also my vo max dropped and is hardly to be improved while training is same as previous in build up.

  • Maybe the actually improved the algorithm so now it is more accurate than before in which case there is nothing to be "fixed"... 

  • I agree, and do not care how high the vo2 number is. but the recovery time is far to high. Before I ran 3 to 5 times a week with a interval training like this I had 24hour recovery. Now I get 60hours with the same training. So in my opinion it is far to much. I now rely more on training peaks and strava but hope there will be some new adjustments to improve this situation.

  • Well... I never follow Garnin's suggested recovery time to be honest. I think some of the metrics like VO2 are helpful if we look at the trend over time but I am not too sure about the actual accuracy in numbers etc...

    Anyway, I will keep an eye on my suggest recovery times but as someone who usually runs 3 days/week (5 sessions in total) I haven't notice changes but will keep an eye...

  • To me the recovery metric was a part of the reason buying this watch. The vo2max is indeed helpful to track progress over time. I did a lab test on the treadmill and scored the exact same number as my watch supposed. So for me it look accurate.

  • Nice to know you got the same result! My lab test was different but I never bothered (and actually was a while ago, so before the 945 unit, I believe I had the 935 by then).

    I don't bother about the recovery as I usually think it shows longer than normal... I just go by feel... 

  • Well, let me just mention that the recovery hours metric is time until another hard workout (intervals, threshold, longrun).  So when you do a hard interval workout... you should NOT be doing it again in 24hrs.  For people who train pretty strong 6-7days a week... it ends up being everyother day hard workout almost.  So often track tuesday with hard intervals, then even though not fully recovered maybe a tempo run thursday.  So seeing 36-60hrs isn't out of the ordinary, really should be expected if you are going for polarized or 80/20 type training.  

    The load issue... that is a different story, not sure.  But what isn't shown in those two workouts is the heart rate info (graph and zones) because just a few beats here or there higher... for a significant time can really throw off the Load in Garmin or Strava.  Some days your HR will be higher for the same workout due to external and internal effects (temp, adrenaline, food/hydration, time of day, etc)...  which will account for garmin thinking you worked hard (seen by also the calories).  

  • Recovery time =The amount of time remaining on your recovery time countdown at the start of your next activity.

    The way i train is polarized(80/20) this did not change at all. there ar many ways of doing this but i run only extensive intervals so i could do this easy 5 days in a row. but i guess that is another discussion;)  

    i always use a cheststrap HR monitor to have the best possible data. the interpretation of the data is just way off if i compare it to traingpeaks or strava for example. 

    to me the watch is now purely for collecting the data, the interpretation of the status was previously very good but now unusable. hoping for an update... 

  • I guess I am not sure if that is a joke or what regarding extensive intervals and being able to do them 5 days a week.  So either it was a joke w/wink and not sure about.  

    Generally I get a pretty similar training load and fatigue representation on Garmin and Strava (fitness/freshness), I do notice for subthreshold "extensive intervals"(?) that I can get a high or low result on both Strava and Garmin for Load, all in the HR data. Same goes for a Long Run.... last weekend I did 27KM very easy to easy w/friends, result:

    Base
    Primary Benefit
    3.8 Impacting Aerobic
    0.0 No Benefit Anaerobic
    178  Exercise Load 
    75   STRAVA "EFFORT"
    but then a good aerobic pace on my own 24km previous week (but on snow/trail some of it) w/9x short strides.   Load if anything reads low to me based on HR and AerobicTE and RPE.
    Base
    Primary Benefit
    4.3 Highly Impacting Aerobic
    0.0 No Benefit Anaerobic
    207 Exercise Load 
    156  STRAVA "EFFORT"
    In this case I would agree that Strava was more right... as 75 is a score for many peoples moderate everyday shorter runs, not 27km nearly 2.5hrs. and 156 for solo run w/some short strides was more difficult by a good bit.
    One of the reasons I guess I use both, personally I like that you can edit the 'Effort' score on strava, to account for things like cold temperatures or hot temperatures effecting HR that don't indicate the real impact of the run.  Like how on bike it uses the Power meter data... not just HR.  Like if I'm hungover or jacked up on caffeine/stress... doesn't mean that a run at an easy pace was more fatigue giving.... just means I had external forces effecting me besides the miles @X:XX pace.  Hopefully Garmin starts allowing editing of some of those things (especially for people with HR data that acts up during workout!)
  • being able to do them 5 days a week is no joke but only possible when the pace is not to high. as said polarised training can be done in multiple ways.

    yesterday i did a 6x 1000m extensive interval session 

    garmin
    13.5 km
    Aeroob 4,0 Hoge impact
    Anaeroob 1,4 Licht voordeel
    Exercise Load 189
    recovery time 53 hour
    strava
    load 18
    the differece in load interpretation is way off imo. 
    today i'm going to do 15X 200m