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95% of my running is on hills, is there a way to have a grade adjusted pace show on my watch using the altimeter?

9386496
over 4 years ago

So if I run 4:15/km on flat that same effort level is 6:00/km on the hills, they are really steep rolling hills and it would be useful to know on my watch that when I am doing 9:00/km on the very steep sections that I am actually at a good pace still if it were flats. Also does training load/status take hills into account? I always get -6 condition first 10 mins in and when I go to a flat run another day it says +6

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    Haven't seen a NGP data field. Might exist a Connect IQ field which can show NGP but an alternative would be to use power as indicator of effort instead. It would probably provide you with the data you are looking for.  Try out garmin power (requires a pod or HRM run/tri) or use eg a Stryd pod. However, power is tricky to use in technical terrain but for normal trails it works ok.

    Training load should take hills into account as it is based on HR (assuming HR goes up when runnning uphill). Performance condition is not really useful unless you run the same route (or flat) everytime. I usually disregard that number...

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    I think what you need is a power meter?

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    Good question. No idea, but a “real time “ GAP data field on watch would be nice. The only way for me is RUNALYZE or Strava, but only after running. 
    Steffen

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    If you run hills, better use trail run. Otherwise it entirely screws with all your flat running metrics..

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to DPSK

    No I don'twanna train by power, I have trained by pace for years

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to maxkobe

    That is stupid all my running is on hills this watch is useless to me i might as well of kept the 935

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    Looking on the Connect IQ store I came across this: apps.garmin.com/.../b67369e2-2fc0-49b5-8497-a2b69605058c

    I haven't tried it, so I can't comment on how well it works.

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to 9386496

    Did you read about running power? I thought this is what you are looking for.

    If you want to run at the same effort (flat, sloping), you run at the same power level. Power will take into account the slope.

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    Sure would be nice to have a Grade Adjusted Pace in the Garmin system, and also Pace based zones (like Strava has).  

    However on hills I have found that heart rate works just fine for all but short steep hills.  Obviously a few seconds lag before HR goes up or down, but unless i'm deep into a long run (overheated, dehydrated, cardiac drift) I find HR responds fairly quick.  Plus the barometric pressure and GPS sensors both have their inherent error and lag as well, soon as you start relying on two sensors with lag delay+error... to calculate a third controlled variable... kind of a rough number at that point.  Heart rate is heart rate (if using chest strap), with usually just a 5-10sec lag in heart rate response at a steady-state.

    I just make a point of checking HR at top or bottom of a hill and adjusting pace by feel and cross checking the HR as I go.  Seems to work pretty well for me.