New HR Recovery interface is brilliant

tess said:

You and jmto make me laugh with your thought process.  The two of you are like the guy on the bus that travels from A to Z and gets pissed anytime there's a stop in between.

Still, it would be better if you could try to argue without going into person.

tess said:

've read the thread you started.  Just as who knows explained to you in that thread, this works much better for those who forget to wait the 2 mins for recovery HR as the old way had it and there's no longer a need to stop a needless recovery HR countdown when someone pauses an activity for more than two minutes.

He didn't manage to explain how this new version "reminds" him, about the recovery HR at all. He used that as an argument but couldn't explain it.

This does not make you automatically do anything else than press down and save, and ups you didn't get recovery HR. I think that the reason Garmin did this like they did is that they don't think people are at all interested in recovery HR, as they don't even show it anywhere. I think their thought process was more like, let's hide it! No one uses it and then there's no that annoying recovery hr popup.

This solves the problem for those who didn't like it, for those which did like and wanted to use it, it made the use case much harder to archive. I'm not against the new screen, it's nice, I would just want the whole process be much smoother and part of the activity stopping process. This implementation hides the whole thing and that's not nice.

If I would have liked to hide it, but known that some like it and want to use it, I would have designed the process to be smoother for them that use it. If button presses are pointless why don't we have every other action also behind 10 button presses as it's so good? 

What I've thought about it I think the best options to make it better would be:
- Option that after save measure recovery HR.. So if you press save, the recovery HR screen would come, and as it got recovery HR it would save the activity and show the recovery hr as part of the summary screens.
- "Recovery HR", would be "Save & RHR", which would do the same, but without option.

This is what I could see as improvement. The new screen is nice, but it's kind of half of a solution. What do you think about those suggestions? Would it make the process better or worse by requiring less button presses? 

Why the personal attacks? Nothing on merit I guess.

I won't engage on that level, have a fun life.

AGREE!  The feature as it was, had no or little value for me, so sure seemed pointless to pop it up at the end of each activity or during each long pause.  My wife doesn't use it either.  My HR Recovery is highly variable based on temperature, length of cooldown at the end of run, and the type of 2minute 'pause/stop' after activity (walking, untieing shoes, taking out garbage, sitting with water drinking).  If my ending HR is 125 and its hot and I am walking it won't drop a whole lot.  If my HR was pretty high (didn't have much of a cooldown lap) its cold out and I just stand still or sit... it will drop a lot giving a large number.  Plus it doesn't save to activity... so really kind of a worthless data point.  Data points that disappear... ?  huh?

NickMN said:

Plus it doesn't save to activity.

It does save to FIT file (ot at least before this did). Garmin just doesn't show it anywhere.

Yes, it does record to the FIT file, however that is pretty pointless to probably 99% of users.  Why Garmin bothers to record things to the activity... for years and years... but then not pull that data into a user beneficial table/report/graph is beyond me.  Especially when without that, its just worthless.  What are you supposed to go an enter it into your notebook or spreadsheet and track it on your own?!  wtf  Noting one RHR is one little point on a scatterplot, that on its own is junk data.

At least the Recovery Hour stuff gives a pretty actionable number that is straight forward, although not logged/trended, you can track it on the watch as it counts down.  Plus it coincides pretty well with the Aerobic Training Effect or TSS.