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TE scores with new watch forerunner 945

jwar12
over 5 years ago

I recently bought the forerunner 945 and was previously using the forerunner 935. Why is there such a diff in my TE numbers between the two watches (945 way higher). I have physio tru-up selected and all the settings are the same. Thanks.

  • 0 over 5 years ago

    My guess is it's just related to the new first beat metrics and how TE is calculated on the 945 vs 935. My 945 consistently gives me much higher TE than my Fenix 5 plus. Oddly enough my training load from runs on my 945 do add to my training load total on the Fenix 5 plus but training load from runs with my Fenix 5 plus do not show up on my 945 training load. In short the training load is always higher on my 5 plus than the 945 but my training effect is always higher on the 945 than the 5 plus. Sorry this probably didn't help you much at all but I think it's just related to the new first beat metrics.  Side note, anyone know why training load doesn't go from 945 to 5 plus but it goes the other way even with physio true up on?

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago

    As Rayjeffr said, I believe this has to do with the new metrics Firstbeat are using. You said your numbers are "way higher".  How much higher are you seeing?  Is it warm where you are?  I'm wondering if the new heat accumulation has anything to do with it? Mine was no higher than .2 or .3 from my 935 data. The temperature stays around 75 here, so if heat accumulation has anything to do with it, I wouldn't see big changes. 

  • 0 over 5 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I also said much higher but I'm almost in the same range as you, TMK17.  On the low end it might be .2 and on the high end it might be .4 more than my 5 plus. I'm just guessing but I don't think it's specifically related to heat/temperatures. Although I'm sure that it's one part of the calculation.

  • 0 over 5 years ago

    To my knowledge, there wasn't any change in the way that Training Effects are calculated/personalized between these devices. Are your Training Load values roughly the same? Training Effect scores are essentially personalized interpretations of your Training Load for the purpose of helping you understand how your recorded activity will likely impact the development of future performance capacities. This means that the accumulated TL during your activity is interpreted in light of your current fitness level and activity history. This makes a lot of sense if you think about it. The fitter you are, the harder you need to challenge yourself to stimulate further improvement.

    So, it could be explained by a slight change in fitness or if you are more/less active with your new device than you were with your previous one.

    That said, you may be generating higher Training Load values over the course of long, endurance type runs than previously. So, if those are the type of workouts that you are primarily performing, it could explain the difference. 

  • 0 over 5 years ago in reply to HermanB

    Ooh! So training load is not just EPOC anymore and it has some more calculations for the duration? As that's one thing that I've always been annoyed that if I run 1h, 2h, 3h, or 4h with the same base training the load has been same and by legs aren't feeling those as the same :) 

  • 0 over 5 years ago in reply to jmto

    Training Load is still very much an EPOC-based metric, but yes, it's my understanding that there have been some tweaks and improvements in how those long runs are rewarded. A good example of development based on feedback over the years, I think, but not one that will probably ever get much public attention. 

  • 0 over 5 years ago

    same here, since last thursday the Forerunner replaced my Fenix 5 and my TE scores are higher as before, also recovery time for nearly the same workouts with same inensity.

    and of course, Physio True Up don't work with my Edge 1030 because Edge haven't the same Firstbeat metrics as the new Forerunner and now there is a big difference Tired face