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Swimming in a pool - practically unusable (time to sell the FR255)

This is my third Garmin watch (year 2018 - Garmin Swim, the best for swimmers, then in 2022 - Garmin Swim 2 - unusable as FR255, and now - FR255).

I see that the swimming activity algorithm was completely changed starting from model Swim 2 and (reading all other Garmin models forums) is still developed for all other watches. Unfortunatelly.

There is only one function swimmers need in a swimming pool - counting pool lengths (without pressing a button on every turn). Using that old "Garmin Swim" watch for a few years this function worked nearly perfectly and in my observation just light pushing the wall while turning with hand (no full flip was needed) was enough for the watch to "tick" the counter. More of ith - the watch was able to automatically "recalculate" (when clicking "Save") all the activity to correct potential wrong counting. But after the watch stopped working after a few years, I bought a new model "Garmin Swim 2" - it was a BIG step backward.

It is hard to find a description (in Garmin docs) of what is used as a counter trigger. Probably they look for a moment when you swim a few seconds after turning without moving your hands. It doesn't work. Especially, when I swim on my back with simultaneous (symmetrical) movement of both hands - I look at the watch and all the pool length the counter doesn't even start. You maybe can say that - ok, a few lenhgts in plus or in minus is not a big problem, but it is more of it. When you train a constant distance you can not make any comparison, any analyze and more of it - the watch saves you "virtual" records (sometimes I get better intermediate times than Michael Phelps ;-) ). Saying in one word - I was not paying for it.

The strange for me is that the watch can perfectly count my steps going up the stairs (the stairs are about only 20-30 cm high) but CAN NOT count about 30 full-hand moves through the 25-meter pool length. He just doesn't even notice it. Further - why it doesn't use the COMPASS to see that I turned and started a new length swimming in OPPOSITE DIRECTION?

As I said, losing lengths is not the only problem, sometimes it adds lengths and I can not find out what influences it. It seems like the watch makes a kind of calculation during activity and adds another falsification of results.

So, please Garmin developers - make the swimming activity usable, my suggestions are above. You can attract more customers or lose them. Now you are losing much...

p.s.

Settings colors on the watch face for swimming activity don't work - there is always a white background during activity and always a black background while resting (hard to read on the pool).

  • I think this is what all watch manufacturers do. They target the typical user. If you deviate too much from the normal, the watch can not track you accurately. That goes for walking, running, swimming, sleeping, rowing, or anything else it tries to monitor.

  • But I do not make any daviation! I just swim from wall to wall. 

    Garmin actually makes deviation by adding a "virtual" 25m pool length with 6 strokes in a few seconds - even Michael Phelps did not get such a result... What do I pay for?

    Such errors in running activity would be horrible, so I do not think running activity is the same.

  • You changed the swimming style in the middle of a length, which a typical swimmer would not do. Algorithms will surely improve in the coming years to cope better with outliers from the normal pattern.

    You will find that some watch users have lots of issues with tracking of treadmill running as well. The algorithms work well for the typical runner, but some people get completely wrong cadence/distance/speed.

  • Imagine, that all people practicing running with Garmin have to take steps in the right (planned by Garmin) way, to correct counting. They would throw the watches into the trash.

    You have confused the logic of the development of events, Garmin is trying to use the correct algorithm for most cases (and not all possible ones). For others, there is, for example, a downloadable workout. Choose what is more convenient. Offering your own algorithm, in my opinion, is somewhat arrogant (judging by the option with the compass - physics and mechanics are not close to you).

  • I do not need a special algorithm, I just want to stright swim from pool's wall A to wall B and count it Grinning

    And what about the compass? What phisics and mechanics I misunderstood? 

  • I do not need a special algorithm,

    You don't need the one that exists, but the other one - right?

    And what about the compass? What phisics and mechanics I misunderstood? 

    Repeat

  • I think you will find that switching swimming style during lengths, and not kicking off from the pool wall makes you special as a swimmer. Look at what the other swimmers in the pool are doing. The algorithms are most likely working for them.

  • I was writing about it than.

    I do not know why you so strongly keep Garmin site. Is there anywhere on their site that the watches only try to measure whatever? Something that can work or not? A potentially only working feature? 

    The long list how to avoid wrong counting quoted Garmin site link earlier is a proof that all that swim activity function is just a toy. Nothing more.