FirstBeat Analytics - 14, 13 or 11???

A good place to look for this kind of information is the spec's list for the FR245 on the official Garmin site.

For FR945 it lists Lactate Threshold under 'Running Features'. That seems to be missing from the FR245 specs list, so I would assume the FR245 does not have it.

By the way - are you sure the FR645 has LT? (it's not listed)

A good place to look for this kind of information is the spec's list for the FR245 on the official Garmin site.

For FR945 it lists Lactate Threshold under 'Running Features'. That seems to be missing from the FR245 specs list, so I would assume the FR245 does not have it.

By the way - are you sure the FR645 has LT? (it's not listed)

I've looked on the Garmin website, but they don't specifically list the FirstBeat features, they split them out by category so it's hard at a glance to see exactly what's there.

Having said that, the Garmin listing does include Stress Tracking for the 245 but that's one of the one's that has disappeared from FirstBeat's listing. So does it have it like Garmin states, or not like FirstBeat states? Or is it a different Stress Tracking?

Have just looked at the Garmin listing for the 645M and you're right, it doesn't state Lactate Threshold. But if you go to FirstBeat for the list of metrics they supply for the 645M, it clearly states Lactate Threshold. So again, which is it - it's not there as per Garmin, or it is there as per FirstBeat?

I've come to this as part of buying my first Garmin watch and there's a couple of things that mind-boggle me: -

1. The complete lack of clarity/consistency between Garmin, FirstBeat and reviewers as to what exactly is included and isn't is nothing short of mis-information. Obviously people make a buying decision (such as I have) on the basis that the manufacturer (Garmin) and the supplier of integrated metrics (FirstBeat) can offer a clear and concise overview of what each watch entails so that an informed decision can be made. That clearly isn't the case
2. If Lactate Threshold and Quick Stress Level Test are indeed not on the 245M why has not a single reviewer called this out? Why does every single one state 14 FirstBeat metrics when there clearly aren't. Do they not look at these things? I'm probably being naive as to what I can expect from an internet review

Is anyone able to definitively confirm exactly what FirstBeat metrics the 245M has (and indeed the 645M now, given the comments above on Lactate Threshold) before I lose my mind??

Herman from firstbeat posted this:
https://forums.garmin.com/forum/into-sports/running/forerunner-245-series/1479902-forerunner-245m-vs-forerunner-645m-advice?p=1480366#post1480366

Herman from firstbeat posted this:
https://forums.garmin.com/forum/into-sports/running/forerunner-245-series/1479902-forerunner-245m-vs-forerunner-645m-advice?p=1480366#post1480366

Yes seen that, but again that doesn't tally up as it suggests the 245 has 2 extra metrics on top of those found on the 645, essentially giving the 245 the 11 metrics found on the 645 plus 2 more, taking the total to 13.

But the FirstBeat website now lists the 245 as having 11 metrics, not 13, with Lactate Threshold and Quick Stress Level Test having disappeared, despite those being listed for the 645M and originally stated to be on the 245.

As above there is a question as to whether the 645 even has Lactate Threshold either.

Is this a joke? When I ordered 245, it was saying 14. Now it is reduced down to 11. I can understand that 1 was mistake but I dont understand 3.

What about tomorrow? Will it be reduced to 8 or 9? I am considering to cancel my order now.

I have a 245. I don't see the option for the Lactate Threshold test but I do have the Quick Stress Level Test. (This is where I go to the stress monitoring page and it runs a 30 second count down to measure current stress).

BTW, the stress monitoring has some interesting (fairly accurate) information; like a few weeks ago when I was late to the airport and about to miss my flight, it was showing ~100% on the graphs (this was with a VA3)

I have a 245. I don't see the option for the Lactate Threshold test but I do have the Quick Stress Level Test. (This is where I go to the stress monitoring page and it runs a 30 second count down to measure current stress).

BTW, the stress monitoring has some interesting (fairly accurate) information; like a few weeks ago when I was late to the airport and about to miss my flight, it was showing ~100% on the graphs (this was with a VA3)

Thanks for this, that's useful. It would also appear to confirm that the FirstBeat website is still incorrect, as Quick Stress Level Test is one of those that has disappeared from their listing.

I think I'm going to have to accept that Lactate Threshold isn't on the 245 as originally listed by the looks of things. Which means I genuinely can't get my head around why NO ONE that has reviewed this thing has called that out in testing and everyone has just blindly listed off the incorrect list of features.

It also means I could do with definitive clarification as to whether Lactate Threshold is on the 645M or not, as FirstBeat suggest it is but there seems to be talk that it isn't.

Is this a joke? When I ordered 245, it was saying 14. Now it is reduced down to 11. I can understand that 1 was mistake but I dont understand 3.

What about tomorrow? Will it be reduced to 8 or 9? I am considering to cancel my order now.

You're like me, you've ordered on the basis that the information out there on the watch is accurate and truthful, but it clearly isn't. My 245M arrived today, but I'm not going to open it in case I ultimately decide to return it.

Was genuinely excited about getting my first Forerunner, but this has put something of a downer on it.

There's 2 types of Stress Test. One is as mentioned above where the watch will use the built in oHRM and it's HRV estimation while you're sitting still. The other is done, also while still, using an external HRM chest strap using actual HRV measurements.

Lactate Threshold also comes from using a chest strap that supports accurate HRV measurements. So if they're not supporting LTHR they're probably also not supporting the chest strap Stress test.

Interesting! Thanks for the info R_Tellis. I'm going to pair my 245 with a chest strap when I get home and see if I get any additional options. Assuming I won't.

Also, according to the 645 manual, that device does support Lactate Threshold (https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/forerunner645/EN-US/GUID-3ED97FFE-025E-47EA-9C70-DD86156617BD.html)