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"lap pace" rounded to 5 seconds only

I just got a new vivoactive 4 after using vivoactive 3 and Fenix for few years. I was very surprised to see that the "lap pace" is rounded to 5 seconds interval, even if the lap distance is very long (5 km for example). I have been using Garmin for over 15 years and  "lap pace" interval  was always 1 second.   The impact of few seconds over long lap can be significant. Any idea why Garmin did such a stupid change? at lease I would expect it to be configurable. Any known workaround for this issue? I will probably have to return my watch if no solution found.

  • I don't have a VA4, but this isn't configurable on my 935, either, and I've never heard of a configuration option to turn off 5-second pace rounding.

    If you have a spare Connect IQ data field slot (out of the 2 total slots), you can use a 3rd party app which shows lap pace without rounding. I've got a couple:

    - Lap+ (this is a full-screen data field with a 6-field layout, to make up for the fact that you're using up 1 slot. It also allows you to view your lap history during an activity):

    https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/77c83bb1-925e-4323-a2ab-e97269c3cdb9

    - AppBuilder 5 (this is a normal data field -- not full-screen):

    https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/fd690281-9c22-4fee-a81e-3b7f39aa67c5

    Use the following settings:

    Label: Lap Pace

    Formula: lapavg(speed) lapdistance / laptime * 3600

    Display Format: pace

    - There's also apps from other devs, like Dozen Run (this is one of the most popular apps on the store, and one of my favorites):

    apps.garmin.com/.../9ff75afa-d594-4311-89f7-f92ca02118ad

  • Thanks for the answer. I liked the appbuilder 5 option as I can integrate it to the regular Garmin screens, however the lap pace shows very different numbers from what I see in the Garmin rounded field and in the lap+ app.  Especially at the start of every lap. Any idea why? I tried using also other formula (lapdistance/laptime*3600) but it doesn't help. 

  • You're right, my formula was wrong. That's super embarrassing haha.

    You don't want to use lapavg(speed), because that would average all of the instant (per-second) speeds, which is not quite the same as dividing distance by time.

    lapavg() is really not optimal for anything involving lap distance, since we already have lap distance as a native metric. (It would make sense for any other lap average metric, like lap heart rate.)

    What you really want (as per the examples @ [https://ciq-appbuilder.blogspot.com/p/examples.html]) is

    lapdistance / laptime * 3600

    which is pretty close to what you tried, but not quite the same.

    EDIT: Now I see it's exactly what you tried. Whoops, my bad again. Maybe try the formula below which shows current speed for the first 10 seconds.

    The reason you want to multiply by 3600 (and not divide) is:

    • The Pace format expects a speed in km/h or mi/h (because that's what the native Garmin Speed field is -- it's also what the AppBuilder 5 speed is). This is to facilitate the simplest case where you use speed as your formula, and pace as your format.
    • In AppBuilder, distance is either in km or miles (as per device units). (Same as native distance)
    • Time is in seconds
    • So distance / time = (km or miles) / seconds. If we want (km or miles) / hours, we need to multiply by # of seconds / hour, which equals 3600

    Also, I should've mentioned that Garmin and Lap+ actually display current pace for a short period at the beginning of the lap, as average lap pace is considered to be too unstable at that point.

    Lap+ shows current pace for lap pace, until you've been moving for at least 10 seconds, at which point it shows the lap average pace. We can simplify this by saying, "show current pace for first 10 seconds of the lap", which gives us:

    Formula: if (laptime lte 10, speed, lapdistance / laptime * 3600)

  • Is there any application similar to  lap+   where I can simply choose the data fields myself (how many fields and what fields to use)?  basically I like to see 3 fields. : "lap distance", "lap pace" and "lap HR"  in one screen but lap pace in 1 second resolution. The appbuilder could be good for that, but I find it difficult to understand the exact formula for "lap pace" as been calculated in Garmin or in lap+ 

  • Lap+ lets you choose any fields you want, but you're limited a 6-field layout.