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Vivoactive 4 v Honor Smartwatch 2 - Sleep tracking is proving very poor on brand new Vivoactive 4 - compared to Honor Smartwatch 2

I purchased a Vivoactive 4 (£269) this week in order to support:

a)  Losing weight

b)  Getting fit

c)  Tracking sleep quality (I am an airline pilot/shiftworker - so sleep patterns can be erratic which concerns me)

At the same time I also purchased the Honor Magicwatch 2 (£129) because its feature set is much the same (HRM, pulse oximetry, sleep tracking, specific sports tracking) and I loved the look.  Both watches were updated to latest firmware/software. 

Some impressions from a couple of days wearing both watches:

LOOKS:  The Honor is a more attractive design, it resembles a pilot style chronometer, the AMOLED screen on the Honor is massively better than the Garmin with a lot of very crisp and stylish designs available for download and it's also noticeably bigger.  It's simply in a different league.  I'm so impressed with it that I have now ordered the Garmin Venu (which is a Vivoactive 4 with an AMOLED screen).

ACTIVITY TRACKING:  Both watches track heart rate, steps, movement/breadcrumbs/routes equally well.  Both did a very good job of monitoring my activity through a workout (cycling) and a walk.  I plan to compare them when rowing on my ergo next. 

GPS ACCURACY:  Both watches locked on to GPS and tracked equally accurately, the Garmin takes noticeably longer to lock on at around 60-90 secs, the Honor watch locks on in 15-30 secs.

BATTERY LIFE:  Reported as 7-8 days on the Garmin and 14 days on the Honor.  Neither will reach that figure at present because I am engaging and exploring them more at present because they are new than an established user would.  The Garmin is certainly needing to recharge more frequently though.

SLEEP TRACKING:  Last night my wife and I both fell asleep around 10.15pm watching a film downstairs after some red wine.  We woke around 1pm and came to bed.  I spent around an hour on the internet looking at smart watch stuff on my laptop before going back to sleep around 2.15am until 7am.  The Garmin accurately tracked the first sleep period from 10pm-1am but failed entirely to recognise I returned to sleep at 2am for a further 5 hours!  The Honor watch accurately tracked and combined both sleep periods.  This is a major concern to me.  As a shift worker whose sleep patterns have suffered due to my career/jetlag/different rise and sleep times this feature is essential and I am keen to get it working.  I would welcome any tips on how to improve things!!  At the moment though the Garmin is next to useless.  I should point out that I am a Garmin fan, I use their units in my car in preference to TomTom but really bonded with them when I was learning to fly in Arizona and used a 196 flying GPS as well as other more sophisticated units fitted to the aircraft avionics. 

EXERCISE DISPLAY:  When I went out for a bike ride the Garmin shows some basic and useful data against a white background such as speed, distance and heart rate.  The Honor by contrast has an awesome display giving all the usual parameters but also a fantastic traffic light circle around the outside of the watch showing blue (warmup), green (aerobic), amber (Anaerobic) and red (Extreme) training zones.  I found it really useful to be able to glance at my wrist on hill climbs and didn't need to look at the HRM numbers but could see which zone I was in just by colour and could tell when to back off the effort.  The display as mentioned before was also bigger and clearer. 

OXIMETRY/SPO2:  Garmin offers the ability to track oxygen concentration during sleep automatically to help with diagnosis of sleep apnoea.  The Honor doesn't do this and only offers on the spot SPO2 currently.  It is possible this will change with a further update because the Huawei GT2 which is a close relation of the Magicwatch 2 has recently introduced this feature via a software update.  So far though that's an easy win for Garmin.

APP:  Garmin wins this hands down.  Their app is a beautifully presented and detailed suite of information with lots of data to view.  It's easy on the eye and nicely suppoprted by graphics whether you are using it on an iphone (which I currently use) or an Android (which my wife uses).  The Huawei health app has some good pages but the presentation is nowhere near as good and much more superficial.  It does draw pretty graphs for heart rate, sleep phases etc but the overall impression is that that Huawei have a fair bit of catching up to do in this area.  It's worth pointing out that there is a massive difference between using an Android and Apple device too with the Apple software running about 3 generations behind the Android.  On the Android for example you can easily import music to the watch and download some truly spectacular watch faces, with the iphone version you cannot.  Some measurement parameters are only available on the Android too.

EXTERNAL APP LINKS:  Garmin wins this too with the ability to link to Myfitness pal, I did start using that app to track calories but got bored after a while as it is a bit tedious and life is too busy!  The Huawei app has no integration with other app providers.

WATCH USABILITY/INTERFACE:  The Garmin interface is quite hard to navigate compared to the Honor watch which also uses two buttons and a touchscreen.  With the Honor it seems instinctive to navigate and use the bottom button for back and the top button for select.  With the Garmin I find myself getting frustrated sometimes trying to get to a particular screen or display and have to resort to random swiping and button pressing to try to find something. The buttons on the Honor are also much easier to press because they stick out like chronometer buttons, the Garmin buttons are almost flush and can be hard to press when the watch is on the wrist.  The clearer display on the Honor has some really nice HRM graphs actually on board the watch, in short there is perhaps less need to actually review the app although it only gives totals for sleep on the watch and doesn't break that down into REM etc without the phone app.  

So I expect by now you can see my dilemma and both watches have their strengths.  The Honor is half the price, hands down better to look at, easier to use, more intuitive and has better battery life and equally good tracking in everything except sleeping O2.  The big downside is I would have to buy a new phone to benefit from the ability to add music to my phone or to download faces.  I could borrow my wife's Android to do that and then re-pair with my iphone because I won't be adding music or watch faces regularly to the watch.  The Garmin though has a much nicer app and the chance to add a cyclecomputer on my bicycle as part of its ecosystem.  The crushing blow to the Garmin however is the very poor sleep tracking, if I can't solve this then it is a no-go.  I have a Garmin Venu arriving today which I hope will solve some of the display limitations of the Garmin.

I'd be very grateful for any views and hope that people feel I have given a balanced view here.  If anything I wanted to join the Garmin ecosystem, but so far everything is pointing me to the Honor and it would leave enough money for a nice set of wireless earbuds for the bike rides.  The big downer is that to get the best out of it I might want to spend say £150 on an Android phone and that negates any financial benefit. 

Views?  Especially on how to solve the Garmin sleep tracking issue!

Jon

  • Sleep tracking is known to be lacking on Garmin's watches, unfortunately, and it's a common source of complaints here in the forums. Never had an Honor watch, but even Mi Bands are better at sleep tracking and they sell for much, much less.

    All of your points are spot-on, and in the end it's what your priorities are in the long term that I think will help you decide. To me, Garmin's Connect app is second to none, and I value being able to create custom workouts (which hadn't been possible with my previous smartwatches) far more than sleep tracking, but this doesn't mean I find sleep tracking acceptable - on the contrary, in your case, I think it's more of a showstopper.

    Also, if you are planning on getting more serious with biking, the VA4 will be able to connect with a host of other Garmin products for your bike, including lights, radars, etc. Just something I didn't see being mentioned that you might want to consider.

    But overall, I'd say that if sleep tracking is important to you given your line of work, just keep the Honor or go for pretty much anything else. Also, never fall for the brand, go for what fits your use case best! If I were you, since you're already invested in Apple's ecosystem, I'd probably sell both watches and buy an Apple Watch series 6. The HRM is on par if not better, sleep tracking is far better, and -if I'm not mistaken- it also offers pulse ox tracking during sleep. Battery life will be shorter though, but that's the only downside. Other than that, I think it checks all the boxes for you and then some. You'll get all the fitness metrics you need, plus smart features and visuals that are nowhere near anything else currently in the market.

    Hope I helped!

    Edit: I remember reading somewhere (it was either on DC Rainmaker's website or Twitter) that sleep tracking actually gets better over time, as it learns your sleep patterns. But, again, given that it's pretty much the only watch brand that requires you to set a timeframe for sleeping before being able to track your sleep, I don't think it will help much in your case. :/

  • Thank you for this review. Its what I was looking for!

  • It would be fair to say that Garmin doesn't do sleep tracking, and that there is no pulse oximeter. Also, volume control of most headphones does not work. GPS accuracy is also suboptimal, inferior to an Apple Watch, according to DC Rainmaker. In other words, this watch is in a beta-stage of development.

    Garmin support has not given any sign of taking these complaints seriously and setting a schedule to correct the issue.

    To be fair, at the price level I don't see any alternative other than superior but dodgy Chinese technology that doesn't play well with third-party services like MFP or Strava. For sleep tracking and simple activities, Fitbit isn't bad and their staff is active on the forums, which doesn't guarantee all your wishes get fulfilled, but at least it is something.

  • Yeah, the Chinese can pack so much tech in their watches at such a competitive price that most of the time the decision looks like a no-brainer... Once you dig up a little deeper though, their device firmware is often buggy and the apps are seriously lacking and not so well-thought-out. No advanced workout features or metrics, no Firstbeat-level analytics, no support, extensibility or app ecosystem.

    That's not to say that Chinese products are inferior or that Garmin watches aren't overly expensive for what you get (they are), just that the Chinese selling model is different: they seem to care more about impressing you with the spec sheets than they care about you actually using their product in real life.

  • I have an old Huawei Watch 2 and have found that sleep tracking with Trusleep on is _much_ better on that old watch than on my new Vivoactive.

  • Thanks so much folks for your honest and helpful replies.  I thought you might all shoot me down for being critical of Garmin in some areas but you didn't and for that I am truly grateful.

    I wanted to update you on my thoughts after a few days more.  In fact after my wife decided she would wear the Honor watch and found it very accurate and easy to use for her needs I decided to buy another and join her.  I also picked up a really very nice Oppo A9 2020 mobile phone (£149) to get me the latest Huawei health app as my iphone was 5 years old and had never been the same since it had its screen replaced.  I also bought us each a set of wireless Cambridge Audio Melomania 1 earbuds (£89 and superb!). 

    Both of us have been wearing the Honor watches and working out with them for the past few days.  We're really happy with them and the functions are well implemented and accurate.  Interestingly I know Firstbeat was mentioned and the Honor Magic 2 is one of the few watches that does implement that technology.  

    Neither of us are professional athletes, just middle aged people trying to get fit and stay active - this seems to be a good fit for our needs and crucially at a sensible price.  I'm looking forward to my first cycle ride today being able to enjoy music wirelessly played back from my watch!

    Once again thanks for all the advice, and whatever watch you wear if it helps you keep fit that's a good thing.  I shall keep an eye on what Garmin are up to in the meantime!

    Jonathan

  • Seems like the right choice. Have fun with it. In the sporting department, Garmin connect is still the superior platform, but as far as smartwatches go, they are lagging behind.

  • Absolutely agree - ironically Huawei/Honor hardware with Garmin's app would be the holy grail!  What is reassuring is that Honor/Huawei do seem to be taking the smartwatch ecosystem seriously and have continued to update and improve the functionality and product range of their watches and associated app.  There's also an active forum which the company do engage with and reply to posts so I don't think they are just dipping their toe in the water here - they are serious about the market.  They use a revolutionary in house designed chip (Kirin A1) and their own O/S which in part explains the exceptional battery life.  They have recently now added the capability to link to Myfitnesspal and one other piece of software. 

    Their latest introduction this Sept is really moving into the Garmin Fenix arena for outdoor explorers. 25 days battery life - up to 100 continuous hours with GPS and route trackback functions.

    www.hihonor.com/.../

    Even my watch has a massive range of sports/workouts including skiing, ice hockey, karate, fencing, ballet, kendo and belly dancing etc lol!!  I haven't bought the wife any belly dancing gear yet but hope to pursuade her!!  ;-)

    The phone calls work brilliantly on the watch because it has a decent built in speaker, I'm testing out the music playback later today on the bike. 

    The good news I suppose is that companies like Huawei moving aggressively into the fitness wearable market will hopefully encourage Garmin to innovate to stay ahead so we all benefit.

  • Yeah you heard that Garmin now quit being stingy with firstbeat sleep. VA4 and Venu are Health and wellness devices in this forum and sleep falls under that.

  • please, does this watch have GPS reverse navigation?