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Mountain bike navigation on the Edge 830 - please help me make it more useful!

I ride almost exclusively mountain bike now; just an interval training ride on my road bike on a pave path to put in the mix. I may be using the words course, route, and trail interchangeably.

I've had my Edge 830 for 3 weeks now and done 12 +/- MTB rides on it on trails that I know, using courses that I've created on Trailforks. I want to learn how to use the device this way before I venture out into courses that I don't know. Basically I want it to help me, duh, navigate! I want to be able to do something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z771IpF1KWM, except on an MTB trail.

I have several issues I just can't seem to resolve.

1. I have turn guidance turned on because I want it to tell me WHERE to turn when there's a fork on the trail. Isn't this what the feature is for? However, it tells me to turn on EVERY bend on the trail thinking it's a turn. Well guess what, an MTB trail has LOTS of bends. This is driving me NUTS.

2. To makes matters worse, today I was no a course I that I know like the back of my hand. When I got to several forks (don't want to use the word turn here), the device didn't tell me which fork to take. How am I supposed to trust this on a less familiar trail system?

3. I just have one data screen (to keep it simple for now) that shows time elapsed, avg. speed, and heart rate that I want showing 99% of the time when I'm riding. I have my MTB profile to only show the map during navigation. However because of #1, I see the map screen more than I do the data screen, that is, it's navigating most of the time. See how #1 drives me nuts?

4. Zoom feature fiasco - I think this has been discussed enough on this forum. But yeah, it kinda sucks.

5. Around 1:45 of the video, the guy stops, and the Edge pauses, and he is able to swipe his screen from the map to the data screen. I tried to do this several times today, but couldn't swipe, that is, I swipe but nothing happens.

I hope a Garmin support employee who is a mountain biker that has and Edge 830 can chime in on this. I ride alone most of the time because I like going at my own pace, and hate being lost in the woods I'm not familiar with. I got the Edge 830 because it seemed to be the more mountain-bike feature rich device to date. I'm hoping it would've solve the navigation issues I had on the 520, but it seems worse.

HELP!!!

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  •   Sorry to hear you are having trouble with trail navigation, that is frustrating. Here are some answers that may be helpful to the questions in your previous post:

    1. Please make sure that sharp bend…

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  • Regarding #5:  I've had the same issue and it seems like it is related to having a sweaty, dirty finger and screen in a humid environment (i.e. the screen is damp also).  Was this the case for you during your ride?  When everything is clean and dry, the swipe works.  

    And I agree with all of your other points, especially the navigation.  I've tried building routes in Trailforks but I can never get the 830 to reliably guide me when it comes time to navigate the route.  Constantly slowing or stopping to figure out what the 830 is telling me ruins the flow of my ride and I end up canceling the navigation and just riding.

  • No, screen was completely dry, and I had touch-screen-friendly gloves on which did work (I can push the + or - zoom buttons for example. I tried with my bare fingers too (dry and clean) to no avail.

  • See part of this thread: https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/191447/track-visibility-if-using-option-show-permanently---line-track-far-too-thin

    My experience is that TBT navigation does not work reliably on a trail system. For me it works best to just display the track. I would be surprised if you would find a device that does this well. The limitation here is probably the (any) trail system and the difficulty in programming TBT instructions for this.

  • @AX29, But the Forksight feature indicates that the device is "trail-aware" and knows where the forks are, correct? They just need to incorporate the trail-awareness feature in the navigation system. I thought this was the whole point of this device?

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    0 Former Member over 5 years ago in reply to ZillaG

    The other problem with the trail forks feature is that when using the MTB navigation mode it doesn't know what way the trail runs and regularly puts you up the trail the wrong way!

  • Former Member are you agreeing with me, that 830 sucks for MTB navigation? Doesn't it have a GPS and a compass (which I've calibrated), so it should know "the way the trail runs?"

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 5 years ago in reply to ZillaG

    Its odd because the trail forks app shows arrows for the trail direction,  bet it's an easy fix for Garmin to sort it 

  • I (just a) guess that it is tied to the map used. Just any map may be difficult to handle, whereas the trailforks map is a lot more simple, so easier to handle in a generalised manner.

    Maybe someone from Garmin will chime in and explain this for us.

  • Ha, don’t blame me. I am just stating my experience that it does not work reliably on a trail system using a ‘general’ (not Trailfork) map, but that I work around it.

  • I'm using Trailforks maps indeed.