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Garmin 820 Speed Fluctuations

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I've had great experiences with the Garmin 820 since owning it and purchasing it in August 2016. It has been solid throughout. Until recently.

The speed displayed is now becoming frequently inconsistent, jumping around between 0.5-2mph when my speed is constant. 

I'm really unsure of what is causing this and have attempted a few things to rule out possible interferences.

First, I recently purchased an Akasio V50 Elite action camera. I noticed after a few rides with it being used, (mounted on the handlebar), speed readings were jumping up and down 5-10mph, which was really spastic.

Attempted solution 1: Speed Sensor battery and sensor replacement 

While I was using a Gen 1 Speed Sensor, I did put in a new battery, but did not solve the issue. I had a newer Gen 2 Garmin Speed Sensor, which I used to replace the Gen 1, but again did not solve the problem. 

Attempted solution 2: Action camera location change and removal 

I changed the mounting location to my helmet but the speed fluctuations continued. Two days ago, I had the camera mounted on the helmet, but not turned on. Speed fluctuations were still present, but in the smaller range of 0.5-2mph.

I returned home due to a bike issue I needed to address and took the camera off. Going back out on my ride, the speed readings seemed to be much better, like it is supposed to work.

Obviously, I deduced that the camera was the culprit of the fluctuations. 

However, on my ride today, at a different location than I usually do for my normal ride, the 0.5-2mph fluctuations returned about 15 miles into the ride. 

A bike bell is the only thing that is mounted to the handlebars and has no magnets. I have a magnetic helmet chinstrap on one helmet (Specialized S-Works Evade) and a magnetic helmet light on the rear of the helmet. 

Frankly, I've used the helmet plenty of times in the past without issue so really doubt the small chinstrap magnet is the problem. 

I also have a hard time thinking that the helmet light on the back of the helmet would be an issue also. I've been using that for a couple of months. 

Bike is a 2011 Specialized Roubaix Expert SL3 with Ultegra mechanical groupset. The Garmin 820 is updated with the most current software available. I ride daily so notice the slightest changes. My daily workout ride is also extremely consistent with route and mileage. 

Has anyone else experienced this issue? 

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 4 years ago

    Former Member

    hi,

    thank you for the clear description Thumbsup

    Has anyone else experienced this issue? 
    • not me, no Slight smile

    as far as I know speed from speed sensor is only used when GPS speed fails (correct me when wrong)

    • move the speed sensor to the front wheel

    care to post a fit file so whe can have a look at it with Fit File Repair Tool (zip and drag & drop it on your post)

    update:

    • confirmed with data from a fit file and FFRT
    • data from speed sensor has higher priority when both GPS and sensor data are present

    happy & safe sporting

  • The 820 uses the speed sensor for speed when it's properly paired.  This is to improve speed and distance accuracy due to position noise and granularity of GPS recording.  Speed fluctuation of a few mph are common using GPS but not when using the speed sensor.  The speed sensor automatically calibrates wheel diameter at the beginning of the first ride after pairing, then uses that from then on.  You can set it to manual calibration and input the wheel circumference yourself, and it will then use that from then on.  The sensor needs to be paired and awake to manually set the circumference.  I'd verify correct pairing of the sensor and check it's operation by observing the indicated speed on the 820 when you lift the bike and spin the wheel with the sensor. 

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 4 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I appreciate the recommendations. I will have to investigate the Fit File Repair Tool. I just attempted installation and failed, so will have to dig deeper. 

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 4 years ago in reply to looigi

    Here is a video of the fluctuations while only using the speed sensor as it is mounted on a bike stand. The fluctuations begin being more prominent from the 39 second mark, which is where this video starts. I tried to maintain cadence at 59 rpms. You will notice at 54 seconds that it jumps from 15 mph to 17.1 mph, which is highly unusual in my previous experience.

    I completely understand minor fluctuations, but as I mentioned previously, I am only basing my perception of these new fluctuations on my previous experience with unit's readings. Meaning, this is different than what I have seen over the past 4 years of use.

    Large chainring (50t), middle of the cassette

    Garmin removed from cockpit and placed on rear seatstay to be closer to wheel for video

    No magnets around location of Garmin 820

  • That is weird.  It looks like you're holding the cadence pretty steady at 59 +/-1 rpm (3%) and the speed is moving around 12%.   I'm not aware of mine ever doing that, but I don't look at it that closely when riding.  You're using the wheel sensor that straps around the hub? 

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 4 years ago in reply to looigi

    Yes, I feel like I have ruled out it is the sensor. As per my original description, I used the Gen 1 speed sensor mounted around the rear hub for 4 years without issue. I then replaced the battery and it didn't solve the problem and then changed out the sensor completely with a Gen 2 sensor (with new battery) and still haven't solved the problem. 

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    0 Former Member over 4 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Former Member

    hi,

    forgot to ask, did you remove and repair the sensors ?

    Fit File Repair Tool can show something like this

    in tab "records" select sources and it shows you a number after the value

    that number corresponds with the sensor you will find in tab "devices file info"

    happy & safe sporting

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 4 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Yes, I have removed and re-paired the speed sensor. 

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 4 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I did a device reset (full, deleting all data) today and went for a ride but the issue persists. I also recorded the following two videos after the device reset.

    This time in order to maintain as much consistent cadence as possible, I hooked up an impact driver to the crank arm to help. While it still isn't a 100% consistent cadence, it is pretty good.

    Test #2 - using "automatic wheel size" calibration for the Speed Sensor:

    Cadence: 71-72 rpm

    Reading: 10.4mph - 13.5mph

    Test #3 - using manual wheel size of 2105mm wheel size calibration for the Speed Sensor.

    Cadence: 74-75 rpm

    Reading: 11.3mph to 14.1mph

    I just got off the phone with a Garmin support specialist and have been advised to test the unit without the speed sensor, which makes sense. I'll report back to see if this helps. While it would be a fluke to have two different speed sensors (from two different generations) give bad readings, it is certainly possible!

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 4 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Former Member

    nice test with the external speed source Slight smile

    test without sensors in car or on bike ?

    how about the indoor test with a datascreen with only one datafield setup with speed

    how is the study of the fit files coming on ?

    happy & safe sporting