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TCX file pasted into Edge

If I create a course (TCX) using cycle.travel I can view the turn-by-turn directions. If I send this course to the Edge via Garmin Connect the turn-by-turn directions change. I know this as I can list them on the Edge and see the differences. That's ok as I realise Garmin Connect essentially recreates the course. However, if I choose to paste the course into the Edge the turn-by-turn directions also change. Is this what is supposed to happen? I ask because cycle.travel turn-by-turn directions are much better than those created by Garmin and, if possible, I would like to keep them. Is there a way to do this?

0 L.Rouge 2 months ago

I don't know Cycle.travel but the turns (called cues on some sites) become "Course Points" when you export the Course as a TCX or FIT file. You can see the course points in the TCX (which is in XML text format with a text or xml editor or just a browser (not so the FIT file which is a binary format), the Course Points are at the bottom / end of the file after the Track Points (of which there can be 1000s).

Garmin Connect in its wisdom deletes any Course Points in file imported thus a file that has passed through Connect will have none. The Turns you then see are generated by the 1040 via the internal map and Garmin "Logic" If you "paste the course file into the NewFiles directory then you will get BOTH Garmin's generated ones and your Course Points.

To get just the Course Points you have to disable "Turn Guidance" on the 1040 (navigation>Courses>[Three Vertical Dots] Top-Right of screen> "Turn Guidance" = Disable. But this also turns off the big white turn direction arrows and the Top of Map screen "Guide Text"

The Course Points will display at the bottom of the screen you are on, will appear in the Course Point List (which appears in the series of screen if you have course points. Also the distance to the next course points and the point type / direction is available in the Crs Pt Dist data field and the short name of the point is in the Next waypoint.

Finally the Course Points will appear on the map as little pink direction symbols with the short name.

I would insert a bunch of screen shorts but the forum is currently not allowing this.

Search for Course Points and you will find plenty of description and examples.

0 MartinF 2 months ago in reply to L.Rouge

Thank you. This is very helpful. One further question, if I may. I have a course created on cycle.travel. There is a right turn which gets a mention in the cycle.travel turn-by-turn directions. If I download and paste this TCX file into the new files folder, I find that the turn does not appear on the Edge while navigating the route. If I list the turn-by-turn directions on the Edge it is not there and there is no other indication that I should turn right. So, the thing is, I don't appear to be getting this particular course point even though I have pasted the file. Is this what you would expect? Not sure if this is relevant, but the turn is at the end of a one-way street where there is the option to turn left or right.

0 L.Rouge 2 months ago in reply to MartinF

Course Points have to conform to a specific format and this does not allow for multiple choice decisions, the point can only be one "type" ie Left, Right, ......there is a large list of types and they will display as different symbols but have to be only one. If the cycle.travel cues allow options then they could not conform to the standard so are likely not included in the exported file or if they were would be ignored by the 1040 import processing?

Most planning sites will generate cues which become Course Points as the course is being planned and some will also allow "custom" ie additional points, all are treated the same by the Garmin

Course Points in the exported file (to be "pasted" into NewFiles) look like,

         <CoursePoint>
        <Name>Roch Treve</Name>
        <Time>2024-09-12T14:35:30Z</Time>
        <Position>
          <LatitudeDegrees>48.411522</LatitudeDegrees>
          <LongitudeDegrees>-3.890157</LongitudeDegrees>
        </Position>
        <PointType>Generic</PointType>
        <Notes>Roc'h Trevezel</Notes>
      </CoursePoint>
      <CoursePoint>
        <Name>Sizun - pa</Name>
        <Time>2024-09-12T16:34:40Z</Time>
        <Position>
          <LatitudeDegrees>48.40584</LatitudeDegrees>
          <LongitudeDegrees>-4.076323</LongitudeDegrees>
        </Position>
        <PointType>Generic</PointType>
        <Notes>Sizun - party worth a stop</Notes>
      </CoursePoint>
      <CoursePoint>
        <Name>Rbt Toute</Name>
        <Time>2024-09-12T18:48:40Z</Time>
        <Position>
          <LatitudeDegrees>48.45264</LatitudeDegrees>
          <LongitudeDegrees>-4.24223</LongitudeDegrees>
        </Position>
        <PointType>Right</PointType>
        <Notes>@rbt $ Toutes Directions, Centre Ville</Notes>
      </CoursePoint>
      <CoursePoint>
        <Name>Rbt Rue de</Name>
        <Time>2024-09-12T18:54:10Z</Time>
        <Position>
          <LatitudeDegrees>48.45394</LatitudeDegrees>
          <LongitudeDegrees>-4.24462</LongitudeDegrees>
        </Position>
        <PointType>Left</PointType>
        <Notes>@rbt Rue de la Tour d'Auvergne/â€‹D712 $ Autres Directions, Centre Ville</Notes>
      </CoursePoint>

The "Name" (in this case 10 characters but 15 are allowed in more recent devices like the 1040) will appear in the "Course Point List" and the Next WayPoint dta field, and at the bottom of the 1040 screen when the position is reached. The "Notes" are not displayed on Garmins but useful for printed Cuesheets. The Position defines the location of the point but the "Time" is only for sequencing / ordering the points

0 MartinF 2 months ago in reply to L.Rouge

Thanks for your comprehensive replies. I'm beginning to understand what's going on.