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Issues with Garmin 965 and E1040 for Cycling

Over the past six months, I have experienced increasingly poor performance with my Garmin 965 and E1040 devices used for cycling. Below are the key issues I have encountered:

  1. Declining Fitness Level Readings:

    • My fitness level, as reported by the Garmin app, has dropped from 43-46 down to 32, despite no significant change in my actual performance.
    • As a lifelong athlete approaching 60, I know my body well and can recover my fitness level quickly after breaks. Garmin's calculations are inaccurate and need correction.
  2. Incorrect Overreaching and Strain Indicators:

    • The app now ALWAYS shows my status as overreaching or strained, marked in orange, which contradicts the performance data recorded by other platforms like Strava and Ride with GPS, where I consistently set personal records.
  3. Incorrect Sleep Tracking:

    • Despite getting nearly 10 hours of good sleep after tough cycling sessions, the watch inaccurately reports that I haven't slept, indicating a malfunction with my less-than-one-year-old 965.
  4. Incorrect Energy Calculations:

    • There is a significant error in calculating movement and energy expenditure (kcal) from my Favero Assioma power pedals. Garmin's app confuses kilojoules and kilocalories, leading to faulty consumption data.
    • For example, during a 5.5-hour ride on the Isle of Wight, my expected energy expenditure was around 5500 kcal, but Garmin reported only 2000 kcal, which is incorrect.
  5. Incorrect Power Readings from Favero Assioma Pedals:

    • My pedal power readings average between 90-95 watts, significantly lower than the 220-320 watts I typically achieve. Tests in the gym confirm that my power is in the 220-250 watts range.
    • I am confident in my power output, especially during steep climbs where I exert up to 1000 watts, but the pedals do not reflect this accurately.
  6. Poorly Designed Incline Map on E1040:

    • The incline map feature often appears at inconvenient times and obstructs navigation. During strenuous rides with heavy climbs, such as those on the Isle of Wight, it becomes a safety hazard as I struggle to navigate and swipe through screens under duress.

Summary of Errors and Potential Causes:

  • Sleep Tracking Error: Clearly a Garmin issue with the watch.
  • Overreaching Indicator: Could be due to errors with pedals, watch, or E1040, but needs serious correction.
  • Energy Calculation: Garmin's misunderstanding of movement vs. energy consumption leads to inaccurate calculations.
  • Fitness Level Error: Another clear Garmin error with incorrect assessments.
  • Power Readings: Despite proper calibration, power readings remain incorrect.
  • Incline Map Design: Poor user experience that poses a safety risk during intense rides.

Conclusion: I am considering discontinuing the use of these expensive Garmin products due to their consistent malfunctions and inaccuracies. It's becoming clear that other, simpler devices or competitors may provide a better user experience without the high cost and frustration. Is anyone else feeling the same way about Garmin's products? It might be time to form a group to address these concerns and explore alternatives.

PS! I just found out my training level is 29, what a joke!

  • Incorrect Power Readings from Favero Assioma Pedals:

    • My pedal power readings average between 90-95 watts, significantly lower than the 220-320 watts I typically achieve. Tests in the gym confirm that my power is in the 220-250 watts range.
    • I am confident in my power output, especially during steep climbs where I exert up to 1000 watts, but the pedals do not reflect this accurately.

    I don’t have any issues with my assioma duo pedals. Do you have the latest Assioma FW installaed?

    i always do a calibration before starting my ride 

    i am not on the beta fw 

  • Welp. I've been using Edge units starting in 2010 with a 705.  They've always been buggy and half baked.  The only thing I use them for is recording data and, sometimes, navigation. I've had some issues with both of those functions but of late they're working well.  I don't put any stock in their analysis and do the analysis of ride data elsewhere. For one, there is no description of how their analysis works or how they arrive at their conclusions or numbers. It's an unreliable and sketchy black box, IMO.

    I should probably add that I use Assioma Duo pedals and have had no issues with connection and recording. I did have a problem with a different PM continuously dropping the ANT+ connection and had to switch to BT, but at some point that was resolved by a Garmin update and ANT+ now works with that PM.

  • It sounds like the problem is with your pedals

  • My reply was deleted somehow, but I agree that most of your problems are cause by a problem with the power meter, not with the Garmin.

  • Poorly Designed Incline Map on E1040:

    • The incline map feature often appears at inconvenient times and obstructs navigation. During strenuous rides with heavy climbs, such as those on the Isle of Wight, it becomes a safety hazard as I struggle to navigate and swipe through screens under duress.

    I guess you are referring to ClimbPro? You can suppress it. Make sure you are in the profile you want to change. Once you are, go to Profile > Data Screens then scroll to ClimbPro and select it. You can switch off 'Pop-up on Climb Approach and if you really want to, switch off Show Screen.

    Hope that helps.

  • thank you thank you thank you for being so specific. I haven't understood my fr965 and le1040 for about 15 days. all the data collapses. vfc I am under tension the drop is enormous, despite having had a 4 day outage. the power has collapsed going from an ftp of 250 to 230, there is no longer any consistency between heart rate and power. Sleep is always bad, In short, I have to rest all the time and the vo2max goes from 65 to 59. Is this the end for me or is it a complete bug? today 3h release, the edge 1040 displays a new fcmax but it does not use it to recalculate the zones, worse the zones are broken with inconsistencies between garmin connect and the 1040. Frankly, they become imprecise gadgets that no longer serve any purpose other than spending money.