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What about Gradient Lag?

keoltag
over 3 years ago

Can anyone report if Garmin have fixed the issue that the 1030+ has with ridiculously long responses to changes in gradient?

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to valerio.zamboni

    Rather rude to the folks at Garmin.  Every single one I have talked to is an avid cyclist.  I would submit that given the noise in the GPS and barometer signals, the huge variation in speeds and gradients, and the inherent hardware limitations, creating an algorithm that is accurate, fast, etc. at all times is not all that easy.  Rather than basically calling the Garmin folks stupid, it would be more helpful to supply specific algorithms that would work better than what we have.

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to djwalker1260

    They kind of have earned it for denying the obvious. Grade delay dates to the introduction of the 530, 830 and 1030+ devices. My 800 and 1000 had no such problems. The 1030s seem to be well behaved. It is a hardware design choice issue or they would have had an easy fix a couple of years ago. What is disappointing is that they won't simply say so. Many of us were holding out for a solution with the introduction of the 1040. No. They just charged ahead with their previous hardware  decision. Maybe because the new sensor offered better battery life; but, not an acceptable choice for many of us. I ordered a 1030+ and quickly returned it because of grade delay. I'm living with the 830 because it costs less for the aggravation. I'd still be using the 1000 if I could buy a quality replacement battery for it.

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to bbrannon

    I agree, If they ride then they should understand the importance of gradient, the new Wahoo does not suffer from gradient issues even Shane miller mentioned: "unlike Garmin latest devices". They release a product that is inferior in gradient measurement over its competitors or predecessors and try to say it meets expectations. If they truly do ride I put it to them, saying "meets expectations" is either something they are told they need to legally say due to business decisions but not personally believe or they don't care and will continue to build sketchy products.

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to Garry

    what he just said  :-)

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to bbrannon

    Nice

    Back to Edge 810 as it was perfect gradient display Slight smile

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to djwalker1260
    • I didn’t call them “basically” stupid anywhere. If they are avid cyclist they should have been able to see that we, consumers, are unhappy about something very basic and they should acknowledge the issues instead of answer that it’s pretty normal , because it is not. If is not easy to calculate an algorithm that can be precise on the gradient lag, feel free to tell them to speak with the software designers of the 830. Regarding your last comment about we, customers, should provide a better software, sentence it’s so no sense that I  don’t need to answer. 
  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to valerio.zamboni

    LOL.  You don't think we as the consumer should be providing algorithms to the device manufacturers to make their products work?  How are they supposed to get them to work then??  Joy

  • 0 over 2 years ago

    Hello

    I have had pretty much every Edge device since they came out, I always update to the latest model. Also, I have purchased all Power meters, sensors, cameras, lights, Radar, etc within the Garmin ecosystem.

    Since the 1030+ the gradient lag problem has been an issue for me, it is an important parameter for me which I like looking at while riding, but 15 seconds later it is almost of no use to me.

    I sold my 1030+ as soon as the 1040 came out thinking to replace it with the newer unit that I assumed the gradient lag will be solved. 

    The problem has not been solved, the 1040 still has the gradient lag, and I am computerless.

    I need to buy a bike computer, which I have been delaying since the 1040 release, and I want to decide if I should:

    a) Buy the 1040 hoping they will be able to solve it through a firmware update (which I dont know if it is possible, since it could be a hardware problem)

    b) Buy the simplest unit, a 130+, to give Garmin some time to solve the issue on the 1040 releasing a 1040+ or any other number (Hoping they have acknoledge the problem and are working on the issue) , or

    c) Try something different, breaking my ecosystem,  and try the new Wahoo (I heard the gradient is reported almost instantly) or other brand.

    What would you do ?

    Thanks

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to gigas10

    An easy one to answer. If the gradient lag is that important, say goodbye to Garmin, it will not be fixed. It is what it is and Garmin does not see it as an issue. Pick up the Roam 2. However the Garmin has so many other things that it exceeds the Roam so that is the issue. Size of screen, Goal setting in Strava Live Segments, great customer service, and many other features Roam just does not have.

    Good luck!

    p.s. I feel the same way- need the gradient to be much more accurate and I have the 1040 solar.

    But the roam 2 is not for me so I will just be ok with it.