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First test ride: navigation fails

Yesterday I took my new 1030 plus out for a first ride to try out navigation.

Didn't go very well, it basically beeped for me to take u-turns half the time for a reason hard to understand.

After trying to reproduce later it looks like it refuses to route me over a bridge with perfectly fine bike lanes.

A simplified example is going from "Bobergsgatan" to "Solstigen" all in Stockholm, Sweden. It looks like this with both OSRM and GraphHopper routing on www.openstreetmap.org and is the route you would expect:

The Edge on the other hand want's me to take a huge detour + ferrry ( avoid ferry is even tunred on.) Looks like this:

Hard to understand since the Edge maps are based on OpenStreet map? Bug in routing? Has Garmin done a bad jo converting maps?

I was also looking forward to trying out the new "Pause navigation" feature. But never did I get a prompt for that nor can I find any reference to the feature in the documentation.

How is that supposed to work? Only for routes created off device?

0 randybb over 4 years ago

Just tested it in Komoot (OSM maps) and it is routing it through the bridge, but when I try the same path in GC route planer then it is not able to do it - it is something wrong with the Nord site of that bridge, probably it is not connected thus it is doing such silly routing.

0 stewa285 over 4 years ago in reply to randybb

You're right. It looks like this on the Edge:

A clear gap.

No problems on OpenStreetMap:

How should this be reported to make Garmin aware?

I'm guessing

1) They have a problem with map conversion (bad, could affect many locations)

2) OpenStreetMaps were broken at the particular location when they took their snapshot (should sort itself out during next update?)

0 bikepc01 over 4 years ago in reply to stewa285

The last edit on OSM on this part of the cycleway was on 2019-10-12 with the comment "fix on cycle paths near the Lidingö bridge". There are also constructions going on at that site, so your option 2) makes a good chance for me... 10 months old map data that Garmin may have used is possible. For example, the latest Garmin Cycle Map - data also from OSM and being 6 month old at that time - was released in april 2020.

I would contact Garmin, or maybe you can report the map error here:
https://support.garmin.com/en-IE/?faq=csAw0wgbRc40e8pLZQizt9

0 Microkid over 4 years ago in reply to bikepc01

or, download your own OSM map and install that on the 1030+. I did the same for the Netherlands. Disabled the Garmin map, and installed an up-to-date free OSM map.

0 stewa285 over 4 years ago in reply to Microkid

But that would disable some features, like popularity routing?

0 bikepc01 over 4 years ago in reply to stewa285

I've tested it on my Edge Explore that supports popularity routing (PR) too. The active map was the OSM based OpenFietsMap Benelux (www.openfietsmap.nl) and double-checked that no one of the three members of the Garmin Cycle Map Europe was active.

Have let the Explore calculate a Round Trip Route with Popularity Routing ON and also with Popularity Routing OFF. All the proposed routes in both sets of 3 routes were different, which at least shows that PR ON or OFF makes a difference. Unclear for me however is where the device gets the Popularity Routing data from because the device was stand-alone and not connected to PC or phone. Never used PR before, so probably no PR data are stored on the device, but maybe I'm wrong on that. Or did Garmin Connect store the PR data somewhere during synch? There are some files in the folders "ExtData" and "SQL" that I do not recognise.

It's rather straightforward to install a third party OSM map, so why not try it and see if routing is still what you expect from it?

0 stewa285 over 4 years ago in reply to bikepc01

OK, thanks. Will try later.

0 stewa285 over 4 years ago in reply to bikepc01

I've reported the error to Garmin (Sweden) now.

Anyone knows anything about my second question in the OP? I would be happy to be able to pause navigation until I'm over the bridge in this case, but I never get the prompt. Can't find any reference to the feature at all in the manual.

0 Former Member over 4 years ago

I had a similar experience where the Garmin Edge 1030 Plus sent me on a detour of about 30 km rather than taking a ferry for a 5 km leg. I posted a question on the forum to be sure that my 'avoidance setting' was correct and not to avoid ferries. It seems that my setting was correct but that the Garmin Edge 1030 plus (cycle map?) apparently doesn't like ferries.