Battery Saver Status - Anomaly - Fenix 7X Pro vs. Epix Pro

I asked this question within another topic but I'm not getting any confirmation so I decided to put it in a topic of it's own.

Can Anyone Confirm This? 

I've been trying to figure out why my Epix Pro is looking like it will last longer on battery than the Fenix 7X. I'm not sure I believe that so I've been trying to get to the bottom of this.  I think it might be a watch programming error in the Epix.  Here is why I think that.  I found some illogical data, on the Epix.

These are what my Epix Pro Sapphire 51mm and my Fenix 7x Pro Sapphire Solar 51mm show at the moment.  You can see this in the photos below, as well.

Currently: Epix is at 91%, 29d and Fenix is at 88%, 13d.  BOTH have battery saver sest to OFF.

What power manager shows:
EPIX: BAT SAVER->STATUS-OFF (29d), Full Charge: 41d
EPIX: BAT SAVER->STATUS-ON (14d), Full Charge: 15d

Corrected:

Fenix: BAT SAVER->STATUS-OFF (13d), Full Charge: 57d
Fenix: BAT SAVER->STATUS-ON (51d), Full Charge: 57d

I'm running both watches with battery saver OFF, because I want continuous heart rate monitor showing. That is how I noticed this. I seemed to be getting longer life from the Epix, but now I think it might just be a watch programming error.

What is weird is that when battery saver is ON, the Epix shows less days than when it's OFF, just the opposite from the Fenix 7X. When battery saver is ON, shouldn't I get more days?  And the Full Charge changes, when switched between ON and OFF, as one would expect.  However, the Full Charge shows the same, in either mode on the Fenix 7X, in power manager. That itself is odd.

On the Fenix, everything seems logical. When battery saver is ON, the number of days remaining is increased. When it's OFF the days are reduced. And on both watches, if the battery saver is ON, the continuous pulse monitor is off, which is logical and same for both.  That is why I am using both with the battery saver OFF.

Something seems like it's programmed wrong on the Epix and Fenix. Can anyone here (or Garmin) confirm this?

The 2 pics below are my Epix Pro Sapphire 51mm.  With battery save ON and OFF.  Sorry that it's blury but you can still read it.  It seems to show I get more days, with the battery saver OFF, which is illogical.  The Fenix doesn't have this behavior.  To me, this seems like a programming error.  I kind of expect the Epix will die, before my Fenix, even though it's showing more days remaining 19 vs 5.  Again, these are both the Epix ON vs/ OFF.

  • Reduce the backlight values (timeout and brightness) on the fenix. This will affect the runtime prediction.

    What values for timeout and brightness do you currently have set? 

  • Regardless of settings, the status should show more time, when battery saver is ON,than OFF.  Shouldn't it?  In other words, regardless of the setting, if I turn battery saver status ON, shouldn't that give more time?  That's the way the Fenix works.  At this point, I'm not trying to tweak the settings. I'm trying to understand the logic, of the battery saver function (STATUS - On vs. Off).

    I have included pics of the status for Fenix 7X Sapphire Solar (Left) and Epix Pro Sapphire (Right), for both ON and OFF, for each watch.  The logic looks wrong on the Epix.

  • What power manager shows:
    EPIX: BAT SAVER->STATUS-OFF (29d), Full Charge: 41d
    EPIX: BAT SAVER->STATUS-ON (14d), Full Charge: 15d

    EPIX: BAT SAVER->STATUS-OFF (13d), Full Charge: 57d
    EPIX: BAT SAVER->STATUS-ON (51d), Full Charge: 57d

    Where are the data of the fenix ?

  • Regardless of settings, the status should show more time, when battery saver is ON,than OFF.  Shouldn't it?

    That's right. 
    Both watches in the photos show only the "OFF" status. Could you please post photos with battery saver "ON"?

  • Just so there are no misunderstandings. The @full charge indicator only shows how long the battery is expected to last if you activate the power save mode when the battery is at 100%.

    This photo shows that the "battery saver" is switched off. If you activate it now, the "full charge" display does not change. And the "status" display is adjusted to the estimated runtime of the current battery level (which is not 100% for you).

  • Sorry, cut and paste error.  The Fenix is the pic on right and the data is the second set.  Forgot to change the name from Epix but you can see the data matches the pic.

  • You can't make a comparison of both watches to each other if you don't know the respective settings. For example, brightness backlight etc. All this also changes the display of the estimated runtime. As said. They are estimates. If you change the brightness, the display of the runtime changes automatically. Even if you never turn on the backlight.

    The exact real runtime can deviate greatly from the estimate and can only be found out in real operation.


    The fenix has a different type of display (MIP), where the Epix uses an Amoled.

    Currently, I don't see any contradiction in the images. Please still post photos here showing the status with "battery saver" enabled.

  • of course you can.  I'm not trying to make a comparison between Fenix 7X and Epix for some settings.  I'm trying to understand the logic, of the battery save function.

    REGARDLESS of settings, brightness, how the Fenix is setup vs. Epix is irrelevant to the battery save purpose.  It is ILLOGICAL that turning ON battery save, regardless of settings, would give LESS battery life.  That simply does not make sense.  The Fenix doesn't do that?  I'm thinking this has to be a programming error in the watch.  Either that or the Status ON and OFF means something different on the Epix, than on the Fenix.

    There is an inconsistency.  if you don't see it, you don't understand what I'm asking, or I'm asking the question incorrectly, or I don't understand the function of battery save. One would assume if you turn battery save ON, you increase the remaining days left on battery.  As you can see below, my Epix shows full charge capacity at 15d, and actual days remaining as 14d.  Amd thats with battery save ON.  If I turn it OFF, I'd expect more consumption, and less days.  However, OFF shows 29 days remaining.  An increase in time, with battery save OFF.  That is illogical.

    EPIX: BAT SAVER->STATUS-OFF (29d), Full Charge: 41d
    EPIX: BAT SAVER->STATUS-ON (14d), Full Charge: 15d

    When I turn battery save ON, the watch says I can get maximum of 15days at full charge  When I turn battery save OFF, I have 41 days.  That is illogical.  Battery save should allow more tiime, not less.

    There is another inconsistency.  On the Epix the max full charge changes between ON and OFF.  On the Fenix, it says the maximum is the same, whether battery save is ON or OFF..  It's always 57 days.

    I'm going to have to call Garmin on this, if no one here understands how the battery save logic should work.

    BTW, the numbers for Epix and Fenix are updated and correct as of the posting of the pic.  The off pic doesn't change the data.  It's as shown above, on the day I took it.

    I just took a pic, but the forum won't post it. But with battery save ON, it says 9 days remaining.  With Battery save OFF, it says 19days remaining.  That is illogical.  If I can post my pic, I will.  It won't let me post a pic in this reply but I added two pics in my first post to show OFF vs ON.

  • I have the same issue, did you get an answer?

  • It was fixed when I clicked "Edit" for battery saver and chose "Disable" for "Always On Display". I don't use "Always On Display" usually but it looks like battery saver estimates time with enabled Always On Display

    I hope it will help you guys too :)