I am sick and tired of Garmin releasing "improvements" that ruin things that used to work just fine

Note: all of the issues below are fairly new. I haven't had any of these issues prior to the 11.28 update.

1. Wrist HR used to work acceptably well last year. Now if fails to work properly on 100% of runs, for large parts of those runs, producing unreasonably high HR that I can't possibly have. For example, in one of my recent runs it tracked me in the upper part of Z5 for 30 minutes, all while I was running easily downhill breathing mostly through my nose.

2. The abnormally high HR from the wrist sensor makes my watch "autodetect" the new maximum HR, which is absolutely unreachable for me. I am 52 years old. Believe me, I don't have the max HR of 186, especially not the one that was detected on a very easy run.

3. The new max HR results in auto-adjusting my HR zones even though the zones are based on LTHR%. If it is based on LTHR% that means it must not change unless the new LTHR is detected! What's the point of having it LTHR based then?

Here is how I found my LTHR% zones auto-adjusted by the watch:

Based On: %LTHR

Z5: 105%-114%

Z4: 99%-104%

Z3: 93%-98%

Z2: 83%-92%

Z1: 67%-82%

Isn't that ridiculous?

Furthermore, I I clearly remember configuring my watch to not auto-detect the max HR, but it seems that has been ignored in the last update.

According to https://www.garmin.com/en-US/garmin-technology/health-science/heart-rate-monitoring/:

Compatible Garmin devices can automatically update your maximum heart rate using your performance data. If a heart rate higher than your currently set maximum is identified and passes a reliability threshold, your personal maximum heart rate is updated on the device or in the Garmin Connect app.

This feature can be turned on or off in the Physiological Metrics -> Auto Detection menu of the device.

Guess what, there is no longer Physiological Metrics menu in my watch after the last update, and no Auto Detection menu that I can find. It seems Garmin has decided that it should simply be turned on by default for everyone.

And someone please tell Garmin engineers that there shouldn't be a 1% gap between zones. Zones are supposed to be continuous. 

4. Unrealistically high HR results in negatively affecting secondary metrics like Performance Condition, Training Load, Recovery Time, VO2 max. Bad data in - bad data out.

5. Sleep tracking is completely ruined too because my Garmin now thinks that I sleep when I work at computer. And it replaces my night sleep with this short fake daytime sleep. I don't really care about the sleep tracking, but that destroys other training and recovery metrics such as Training Readiness. What's the point in Training Readiness if all the raw data is useless.

Again, all of those things used to work quite well until Garmin has "improved" them. Has Garmin heard about beta testers? Not throwing half baked beta builds at users hoping that users would catch bugs but real dedicated beta testers who deliberately look for bugs. Also even when users report bugs in the beta software, it seems that Garmin just shrugs and releases the half baked updates regardless!

  • Did you just start vote trading?

    Not really, but I did vote it.
    My post is not in the beta forum, but a normal thread forum.
    Ok, then take a look at the topic I posted and post best there Wink

  • I have issues with hr, but from HRM pro plus.

    never any issues before last fw, but now it seems to get interference during indoor runs.

    I can see changes to the data from the date the new fw was released.

  • I don't mean to sound rude, but if you care about the data that much, why don't you buy a chest HR strap for training? Garmin's wrist OHR is notoriously poor. Further, if you are in the northern hemisphere the wrist OHR is even worse when it's cold.

    As for sleep issues. I have seen others raise this. Personally, I've not had the issues you explain. Have you configured the schedule for detection?

  • hi 

    Me too. I’m close to switch for an other brand…

  • Here the same. Every time an update is due, I hesitate. It breaks something every time. At the moment the satellite fix takes ages. My Day Widget hasn't returned to this day. Cannot set an alarm, etc.
    new version new problems. Although 11.25 on the beta forums had many citing their problems, it was released anyway. Pulse values do not match or are imprecise
    Today the Apple Watch Ultra is coming and I will now test it for a week. Yes, the battery will last 3 days, but the display can be read and you no longer have to pick up a cell phone. The battery performance is the only positive and that comes at the price of MIP. I also no longer buy a Garmin watch to appear. it's horrible.

  • could you give me your feedback from you Apple Watch ultra test ?

    thank you. 

  • I set up the Ultra yesterday. if you have a Fenix 7X or Tactix it will fit perfectly. It looks very modern on the arm. Brightness outside is great and easier to read than the Fenix because there are real colors. Heart rate is great. Operation is great but is almost only possible via touchscreen. Software super fast and no stutters. Floors always fit now. ei Garmin times more whale less. previously had Apple Watch 7 and it was always too small. Battery now charges in 20 minutes for all day use. Did a lot yesterday and still 80% this morning. Garmin's battery is great, but only because you make a lot of compromises. The X series is larger, so there is more space for the battery. Display is bad and looks like 1980. Better to load it every 3 days for 30 minutes and have fun with it.
    everything that was criticized at the beginning of the 7 series has not been changed to this day. My Day widget removed, alarm clock removed and answer from Garmin, it is not intended to reintroduce it.. Oh, so the Ultra has LTE emergency call, phone, etc. everything always with you. If you have your mobile phone with you, use your mobile phone. a short jog, just go for it and the watch will do it on its own. The new Fenix will just get a new charging port and EKG and the problems will remain. Garmin doesn't listen. 11.28 is a reason to sell it. You can't deliver something like that. I'm standing in front of my house and now I'm always waiting for a satellite fix. Went in 5 seconds before. If you want something from Connect iQ, everyone now wants a payment. Yes, developers should and must be paid. But that send 3 dollars to Homgkong to better see his steps. Garmin should better regulate that. Garmin does a lot just leather a lot not right. A new model comes out every 2 months and the current top models look old at first. terrible.

  • I agree. Since 11.28 i have problems with large gaps in heart rate, hrv, and stress tracking during sleep. Trust me, i wear the watch as i should - i even use the fabric strap from enduro 2 so the watch fits as good as possible. It worked 100% before and i have never had such issues even with my old 945lte.. And no gaps in sleep tracking, which i find strange since my watch didnt measure heart rate for at least one hour every night... 

  • Thank you. 
    that help me a lot. Currently I have a Fenix 7 Solar saphir but I test the Apple ultra in a shop and it’s ok. 

  • I don't mean to sound rude, but if you care about the data that much, why don't you buy a chest HR strap for training? Garmin's wrist OHR is notoriously poor.

    I do have Polar H10 strap and use it for more serious training runs and races. However if I wear it daily it causes skin irritation which takes a long time to heal. My skin is sensitive.

    Yes, the wrist OHR is poor relative to a chest strap, but untill recently it was usable when doing easy runs. I didn't care about great accuracy and it was good enough for the easy runs to get it in the right ballpark for the training load and recovery metrics. In fact, last summer it was fairly good once I bought the Enduro nylon strap, and I didn't see many glitches. Then around October 2022 it started to get worse. And after the 11.28 it has become completely unusable even with the nylon strap.