What does Fenix 8 / Tactix 8 Need To Have To Make You Upgrade?

I have the MK 3i. It has the older sensor. It’s ok but I wear the tactix 7 way more. I don’t find Titanium weaker or mor scratch prone than stainless, not at all and the weight savings is amazing  

I have Tactix 7 AMOLED and thinking about getting MK3i. Can you post some comparison pictures of both casings? Thanks in advance. 

Fresh 7X Pro Sapphire user here. I would love to see (in descending order): 

• better software (algorhithms like sleep score really have to be optimized, more push recommendations on sleep, fitness, analyses etc). I´m a fan of (optional) gamification, which is why even if e.g. the Samsung Galaxy Watch series is nothing in terms of a sport watch competitor, the way "health" presents data is SO much better. 
• wireless charging...because it´s 2024 soon and already a standard in smartwatches for years
• better solar profit comparable with the instinct 2x series
• a new watchface dev engine (build & color engine) for the Fenix line. Honestly, it would be SO SO SO cool to make it easier to develop appealing watchfaces. You have no idea of the hazzle you currently have with building well designed watchfaces
• better readability of the MIP display 
• same/longer battery times but with a thinner body 

Wireless charging is ass. It takes up space inside the watch, is inefficient and generally annoying. No wireless charging. 

Esim for no phone connection needed to connect internet on the road .

I think the reason they don't have lte is the huuge battery drain, unfortunately 

I came to a realization that I want my next watch to have an AMOLED screen. So it will be a next Epix model even though on paper I am a perfect target user for a Fenix with a MIP display. That is because I struggle with the screen readability during winter months due to screen reflections and poor contrast.

All what I want in the next model technically could be done in the current model with software improvements, but I understand that Garmin has to make money:

1) Flawless automatic control of screen brightness to make the screen readable in any condition, including the flawless implementation of the wrist gesture. I don't care how Garmin does that but the wrist gesture should just work in all situations, including when running. Currently it seems to be borderline broken. Either I cannot see the screen at all if the wrist gesture isn't enabled, or, if I enable it, then when I am running the display remains lit most of the time because the backlight doesn't go off. 

2) Better map readability. The map should be more customizable to different activities. When I am running on trails I don't need all the details. I need to be able to glance at the map quickly and see what I need to see.

3) Better navigation features. What Garmin currently has is a complete mess. It is extremely confusing with two different navigation modes and with how turn directions are implemented. With the current implementation, when doing course navigation on trails the turn notifications are basically borderline unusable - you get alerts on every zigzag of the trail where there aren't any trail junctions. And at the same time it can easily miss real turns if they aren't sharp enough. It needs to be much smarter and more usable, and the two navigation modes should merge in a seamless way.

4) I want a much better map responsiveness in terms of following my position and the map orientation. If you watch videos of how the map is implemented on Suunto Vertical and Race watches you'd be amazed of how smooth and responsive the map it. In comparison, Garmin's rendering of map looks pathetic. There are often huge pauses and the map is often behind by up to 5-10 seconds. That may be OK when doing slow activities like hiking but is often disorienting when doing faster activities like trail running. Often I notice that I've already ran past a sharp turn, but on the map my position is still approaching the turn and the map is oriented the way I was running 5-10 seconds. That makes me think I made a wrong turn.

5) A more accurate reading of outside temperature. Garmin algorithms use the temperature from the weather services at the start of an activities, and assume that applies to the entire activities. For long multi-hour activities that is often wrong, especially if there are significant changes in altitude. 

4 - Less functions and simplicity makes things smoother. Btw, Fenix 7 series are much faster than previous watches while using map functions.

5 - Just buy a Tempe. Any weather station won't know the weather around you. They'll just report the temperature around them.

sis651 said:

Just buy a Tempe. Any weather station won't know the weather around you. They'll just report the temperature around them.

That isn't the point I was trying to make. Even if I buy a Tempe sensor, Garmin algorithms for VO2max or heat acclimation won't use data from it. I want those algorithms to use the temperature data from the watch. I don't want Garmin algorithms to tell me I underperformed just because it was still cool when I started a run but became extremely hot two hours into the run. I've had an example of running in Grand Canyon with daytime temperature exceeding 100F, and according to Garmin that wasn't hot enough to even affect the heat acclimation. Even though the temperature captured by a watch sensor is affected by the body heat, I think it should be possible to compensate for that and make it work for performance calculations. 

Yeah, Garmin doesn't seem to take it into account in may parts. However, heart rate surely reflects the environment very well, so that I know what's going on with me. I hope they design a good algorithm to compensate such things but every body is different, this won't be easy.