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Night Sleep Data gets replaced by daytime "sleep"

HEILRATH
over 1 year ago

Chris from Garmin again locked the previous thread also the problem is far from solved. So here is a new thread.


The issue is that in some cases a normal sleep recording is replaced by a very short nap and totally screws all connecting data like the recovery status.

Garmin now says that this is by design, which makes no sense at all.

Correct. Engineering has asked for new examples on v11.28 after minor changes made to sleep. Thank you for creating a new thread.

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  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to Etupes25

    Must be one of those exciting meetings Grin

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to SETM
    SETM said:
    Thus he think that this issue is only a problem for a very few users and thus it has a very low priority to be fixed.

    Perhaps that really is the case! Granted there may well be people with the problem who don't communicate through these forums but that's still not to say that it is a major problem just because some do.

  • 0 over 1 year ago

    It happened to me again (I reported it to Chris, as suggested). Sleep time (even deep sleep) was detected while working on my computer. 

    Nothing unusual on the watch during that fake sleep time, showing time and data. Only when I wanted to start my daily run and, I pressed START/STOP it ask me to stop sleep.

    It might sound cool to someone at Garmin, but why would a sleeping person want to press any button during their sleep only to continue sleeping ("Stop sleep Yes/No")? 

    Why not have another screen after I decide to stop my fake sleep, where I can choose if I want to delete that fake sleep on save it?

    Anyway, I got 3 hours of fake sleep, and my recovery time after a very easy run suddenly jumped from 2 to 14 hours, while under normal conditions, the exact same easy run results in 0 to 2 hours of recovery time.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to 90de6a656fe046f0976b71c0d1c6d954
    90de6a656fe046f0976b71c0d1c6d954 said:
    Why not have another screen after I decide to stop my fake sleep, where I can choose if I want to delete that fake sleep on save it?

    +1!

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to 90de6a656fe046f0976b71c0d1c6d954
    90de6a656fe046f0976b71c0d1c6d954 said:
    Why not have another screen after I decide to stop my fake sleep

    +1 - thank you for your suggestion.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to SETM
    SETM said:
    Thus the watch summarized the sleep to be 2:57h when the sleep including awake periods was 3:27. Thus more than 3 hours but presented to user as less than 3 hours. Maybe this explains it.

    This is a good observation

    "fake nap" duration = nap time + awake time

    just like

    "time sleeping in bed" = sleep time + awake time

    In this context the 3h threshold is the total "fake nap" duration, so users will indeed see less than 3h sleep time replace their night of sleep.

    It is important because you don't know how much "awake" time the watch will detect, so the 3h can correspond to 2h or less of "inactivity" interspersed with moving around: pretty much the normal desk work/office pattern...

    In short, for those affected, any threshold will never work fully. The only option is to be able to dismiss the sleep or prevent overwriting better sleep.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to Garmin - Chris

    It's still happening with 11.28. I just had 2 hours of "sleep" replace my night before. This afternoon. Completely outside my sleep window.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to Michael
    Michael said:
    It's still happening with 11.28. I just had 2 hours of "sleep" replace my night before. This afternoon. Completely outside my sleep window.

    As   mentioned in this thread you should mention him (not garmin christopher, it is garmin chris. start by type @af7e41 ) in the post when report on this issue and also send him a PM as requested.

    If not enough people reporting the issue to him directly then it seems less important to fix, and yes, my opinion is that you should not need to have a certain number of users report something before it triggers any action from Garmin. But that seems to be how it works for now.

  • 0 over 1 year ago in reply to 90de6a656fe046f0976b71c0d1c6d954
    90de6a656fe046f0976b71c0d1c6d954 said:
    Why not have another screen after I decide to stop my fake sleep, where I can choose if I want to delete that fake sleep on save it?

    Also one thing could be to have an option in the watch where you as a user can disable sleep detection that not start within sleep window, or at earliest some few hours (e.g., 2 hours) before sleep window starts

    This way sleep will not be detected unless close to or within sleep window. I do not want to have sleep detection at all during daytime since Watch can’t handle naps any way and have issues with fake sleep detection when sit still for longer times during day.

    I understand that some work in shifts and that they need watch to detect sleep during day, but most of us don’t, thus an option to turn on and off sleep detection outside sleep window can solve this issue and we all can go back and use our watch as a 24/7 watch as it is designed to be and at least me will be a much happier user.

    Maybe at same place in system menu where you define your sleep window.

    Maybe a combination of both of these suggestions would be the best

    Chris, Please suggest this to the Developers and if anyone else think this is a good idea give it a thumbs up.

    FYI, 

  • 0 over 1 year ago

    I work in night shift often. Again night’s sleep was replaced by my nap. 

    that is a big bug and not fixed even if people are complaining about it. 
    also sleep data is not updating on the watch after I edit sleep time on the connect app. It still shows 3 hours on the watch