Physio True Up has it ever worked??

On my 945 with HRM Run - I have experienced “no connection” to the HRM Run but connected to everything else. Had to disconnect HRM Run for a bit and connect it again before it connected ok. 

I do also have multiple times NO connection to any external ANT+ sensors forcing me to hard reboot the 945.

(945 is known as the Marq P - as in P for plastic ... - most feature are almost the same)

Physio TrueUp is a feature that allows you to send/share an activity from one device to another one.  For example, you do a ride on your Edge but want it on your MARQ to show your friends later that night.

The fact that you are seeing different numbers when recording with two different devices so something that I would like to look into.  To do this, I will need to look at your activities and your user settings, so I'm going to send you a private message.

To answer your question, no.

The numbers between my Edge 1030, my 945 and Marq Aviator are all different.

You will see boatloads of people complaining about this ever since TrueUp has been implemented, but Garmin seems to be incapable of making it work correctly.

By the way, this is not rocket science. Here how to make it work. All your Garmin devices are linked to Garmin Connect in the 1st place, and they upload their own *timestamped* data to it (including Body Battery). When you sync any device, Connect 1st consolidates the data, and then sync back the target device with a full copy of the consolidate data in a store + replace fashion. Has been working 100% of the time for computers for decades, and if I remember well from my youth, described as a basic algorithm in Donald Knuth's early 60s "The Art of Computer Programming" book.

Was this ever resolved? 

Just wondering.  

Thanks 

IceBear said:

Isn't Physio TrueUp supposed to address exactly this requirement?

No, I don't think the purpose of Physio TrueUp is to solve the issue of different devices recording/calculating different data for the same workout. Why are you recording the ride on both devices?

The way I understand Physio TrueUp is for example if you record a run with your MARQ in the morning and a bike ride with your Edge in the evening, Physio TrueUp will sync the activities between the devices, together with any updates to your physio data like VO2max, LT etc. Training Load obtained using one devices will also be added to the other device. 

In your case, if I understand you correctly, you are recording individually and simultaneously on both devices. This way you will end up with two recorded activities for the same ride in Connect, am I right?

I agree it's very strange that the devices calculates different load, time in zones etc., but I believe that has to be caused by some kind of different settings, or a bug in one (or both?) of the devices - I don't think it's related to PhysioTrueUp.

SAHO said:

I agree it's very strange that the devices calculates different load, time in zones etc., but I believe that has to be caused by some kind of different settings, or a bug in one (or both?) of the devices - I don't think it's related to PhysioTrueUp.

Keep in mind that those devices may have different version firstbeat metrics across them and that can cause some issues. 

My MARQ for instance can show training load and focus, but my 5x plus can only show load. Even then the two calculate ultimate load slightly differently even when i only record the activity on the MARQ. 

Good point!

SAHO Up until the latest version of the beta firmware for the Edge 1030, the Edge device wasn't calculating the Exercise Load for each workout - well it was but it wasn't storing it in the file.  This meant that any wearable would see the activity (sync'd by Physio TrueUp) but would see it without Load and therefore that activity was excluded from all Training Status results on that wearable.

Training Status makes no sense at all if it only works on one Wearable.  Clearly I want to record rides on my Edge device, run using my Marq, and possible dive using a Descent.  I shouldn't see three different Training Statuses...

The interim only solution was to record everything on both Marq and Edge and then at least both devices had meaningful Training Status and recovery etc.  Problem is that you then have two files on GC and duplicate uploads to Strava etc.  PITA.

I think the whole discussion about versions of FirstBeat metrics is academic is ignores what any athlete wants to know... Are they getting fitter, detraining, or in maintenance mode.  Looking at my watch and seeing detraining, when I've just done a big block on the bike is just plain stupid.

The testing I've done with the beta firmware looks pretty good and I'm hopeful the issue is now resolved.  I'm waiting for the next version of GCMobile to see how that displays the training status and hopefully some GCWeb changes will also get made.  If I look at my running Training Status on GCWeb it still shows me a status apparently based on my Cycling VO2Max trend - I don't care about my Cycling fitness when I've chosen to just see Running...  Obviously they are linked but I don't expect to see cycling rides in the Running menu and vice versa.

I suspect the new Edge devices 530/830 already had the fixes, and now the 1030 does, so all good from here on out.

Okay, so kind of a different case than what you were describing in your OP then..

I understand why you want to use your Edge during the ride, but I still don’t understand why you want to record on both. Does the 1030 give you any extra data that the MARQ doesn’t?

If not - can’t you just record on the MARQ and use the Edge as extended display instead?

I don’t use multiple devices myself, so this is just for my understanding/curiousity.