Training load, Training effect, Training Status and Vo2max are borked

I'm just going to leave that comment out there, because if I were to base my health on ANY of those numbers right now, I would come to the conclusion that exercise of any kind is back for my health.

Running is bad for my health
HIIT Training is bad for my health
Everything is bad for my health

The training status is all over the place, yesterday after 9 miles of combined running (mon/weds) and Tabata Style HIIT training (tues) the status said....I was in recovery? Not the recovery time, the status. Then I looked at the load, 435 and in the green(but barely). My Vo2 Max went down (from 46 to 45....which was 51 on my prior 5x that I returned but was also my vo2max on my F3HR). Today, my Vo2max is now 46, my status is productive my load is 372 (and nearly halfway in the green) and I have no clue what the in world it is trying to show me. The Training effects are bonkers too. that HIIT training was all strength work....that came back 1.0 Anaerobic (but 2.5 Aerobic). In fact nearly EVERYTHING I DO comes back 1.0 Anaerobic, running, weights doesn't matter nothing makes it move. This is exactly what was happening with my 5X so whatever firstbeat did and then Garmin did....does not work.

This metric data is meant to help gadge us right? To give us a number that tells us where we are and how we are doing correct? So, the watch is telling me i'm lazy, regardless of the fact I have a avg power output of 242 from running, z3/z4 average during workouts, put out nearly 15k steps a day and train 5-6 days a week?

Seriously....what is going on with this model???

0 PSteinlech over 8 years ago

Quite the same here. "Unproductive" since two weeks with rather long bike tours, biking mountains plus long and also fast runs, and lately three days recovery.

Ridiculous...

Cheers
Peter

0 sventzke over 8 years ago

Same for me.

0 ThiagoSian over 8 years ago

I am having similar issues.

VO2 decreasing, Long recover times...

But for the it changed from Productive to Maintaining.

I guess its the Wrist HR that got wrong readings on my easy runs, in my case.

The Recovery Advisor seems to get overriden.

Not sure if it was only initially wrong, or if is beign replaced by the newest activity, but sometimes I get a buggy 3.5 days recovery and after another activity in the same day I get that 3.5 days recovery replaced with a few hours of recovery.

0 mcalista over 8 years ago

I'm just going to leave that comment out there, because if I were to base my health on ANY of those numbers right now, I would come to the conclusion that exercise of any kind is back for my health.

Running is bad for my health
HIIT Training is bad for my health
Everything is bad for my health

The training status is all over the place, yesterday after 9 miles of combined running (mon/weds) and Tabata Style HIIT training (tues) the status said....I was in recovery? Not the recovery time, the status. Then I looked at the load, 435 and in the green(but barely). My Vo2 Max went down (from 46 to 45....which was 51 on my prior 5x that I returned but was also my vo2max on my F3HR). Today, my Vo2max is now 46, my status is productive my load is 372 (and nearly halfway in the green) and I have no clue what the in world it is trying to show me. The Training effects are bonkers too. that HIIT training was all strength work....that came back 1.0 Anaerobic (but 2.5 Aerobic). In fact nearly EVERYTHING I DO comes back 1.0 Anaerobic, running, weights doesn't matter nothing makes it move. This is exactly what was happening with my 5X so whatever firstbeat did and then Garmin did....does not work.

This metric data is meant to help gadge us right? To give us a number that tells us where we are and how we are doing correct? So, the watch is telling me i'm lazy, regardless of the fact I have a avg power output of 242 from running, z3/z4 average during workouts, put out nearly 15k steps a day and train 5-6 days a week?

Seriously....what is going on with this model???

I'd take a look at your max and resting HRs, turn off autodetection of these, and make sure you do this through Garmin Connect, as it may be overwriting what is entered on the watch.

0 FeelX86 over 8 years ago

Same here,

had a run yesterday with the best pace i ever had on my standard run and yet it just suggestd 24 hours of rest and now my training status is unproductive. Training load is borderline optimal (346) but was in the blue zone yesterday after run. I don't get it for me it seems to be entirely useless. Also i have problems with wrist heart rate detection after 2km into the run and GPS also is very poor at the moment. However i have the watch for 3 weeks now and the first two weeks everthing was fine, no problems with either of these problems. Can anyone give me some suggestion how to solve this? Could this be due to update 3.3?

BR

Felix

0 OEAGLEO over 8 years ago

I am having similar issues.

VO2 decreasing, Long recover times...

But for the it changed from Productive to Maintaining.

I guess its the Wrist HR that got wrong readings on my easy runs, in my case.

The Recovery Advisor seems to get overriden.

Not sure if it was only initially wrong, or if is beign replaced by the newest activity, but sometimes I get a buggy 3.5 days recovery and after another activity in the same day I get that 3.5 days recovery replaced with a few hours of recovery.

It sounds as if the Recovery times are independant, and not cumulative. On the Suunto Spartan Ultra that I had before this, the recovery time would increase if I had two activities, and say the first said 12 hours recovery, did another one, and it was 10 hours, but took an hour to do, then my recovery time would be 21 hours, (12+10-1). Same for multiday recoveries. I like the Suunto website, as it give quite a bit more info than GC, like recovery times, EPOC, etc. but the Ultra was simply lacking the features of the F5, so I went back to it. Perhaps Garmin should look at the way the recovery time is calculated?

0 Former Member over 8 years ago

I am having similar issues.

VO2 decreasing, Long recover times...

But for the it changed from Productive to Maintaining.

I guess its the Wrist HR that got wrong readings on my easy runs, in my case.

The Recovery Advisor seems to get overriden.

Not sure if it was only initially wrong, or if is beign replaced by the newest activity, but sometimes I get a buggy 3.5 days recovery and after another activity in the same day I get that 3.5 days recovery replaced with a few hours of recovery.

Same problems here, I ran 24 miles last week and Garmin says I'm unproductive, fitness decreasing, I suck, etc. I've now taken to cursing the F5 while I'm running. Garmin needs to get on this.

0 ThiagoSian over 8 years ago

First Week -> No status
Second Week -> Productive
Third Week -> Maintaining
Fourth Week -> Non productive

I will be running this week with an HRM-Run, and will update later if the status changes. I am guessing it will.

0 Former Member over 8 years ago

First Week -> No status
Second Week -> Productive
Third Week -> Maintaining
Fourth Week -> Non productive

I will be running this week with an HRM-Run, and will update later if the status changes. I am guessing it will.

My F5 followed this order exactly and I've used the HRM-Tri on all of my runs. Will be interested to see if your result differs

0 ThiagoSian over 8 years ago

My F5 followed this order exactly and I've used the HRM-Tri on all of my runs. Will be interested to see if your result differs

I will do a Lactate Threshold run today. I never used an HRM before. I will post update afterwards.

Just wondering, are you training load "Ideal"? Mine is on ideal (green zone) since first appearance.