I think it will be good to have one central place to have the latest news people here about the updated release date. DCR said it looks like early March. The garmin site says 5-8 weeks but thats the default time on all new products. Everywhere I read it says "By end of Q1" which is the end of March. Rei still doesnt have it listed yet either. Has anyone heard anything more specific?
Thanks for sharing, nice pics and interesting comments. The F5 does seem to strike the right balance between size/resolution/battery life. The question is whether the new running metrics will be very useful...the comments in the Chronos section are not vey encouraging unfortunately.
Interesting. The display actually looks better for brightness and reflections, as well as the expected resolution.
Not sure how much you can tell about the new performance stats from the Chronos threads; according to dcrainmaker it takes a couple of weeks to identify trends, according to the first beta it takes a week to populate fully, and the Chronos beta updates are coming in about every two weeks and by the sound of it resetting the data collection on that. A lot of the comments I saw came down to not having done enough sessions for any information to be shown in the first place.
Well shucks. I was pretty much decided on the F5S thinking that the size difference between the F3/F5X and the F5 wasn't great enough. These photos has me rethinking that not only because of the size but because it looks like the display is much better which my aging eyes will really appreciate.
Interesting. The display actually looks better for brightness and reflections, as well as the expected resolution.
Not sure how much you can tell about the new performance stats from the Chronos threads; according to dcrainmaker it takes a couple of weeks to identify trends, according to the first beta it takes a week to populate fully, and the Chronos beta updates are coming in about every two weeks and by the sound of it resetting the data collection on that. A lot of the comments I saw came down to not having done enough sessions for any information to be shown in the first place.
I'm all for new analytics, I'd even say I'm a sucker for that, but at the end of the day it's probably more reasonable not to put too much faith in what are always going to be "estimates". It's probably fine for a TEv1 which is very broad or VO2Max to see the trending but the more specific it gets the more prone to error it could be...not sure LTHR has been very useful vs deriving it from actual race times ?
Is it right the Fenix 5 does not measure outside temperature?
Right now I have the Edge 520 (sell and replace with Fenix 5) and its only for cycling. I want to track run, walk, bike outdoor and vacation location. Is this the watch for me?
Per what I see in Connect IQ, the f5 devices do have an internal (watch based one) temperature sensor (it basically needs that for the baro altimeter so I'm betting the simulator is correct) and you can likely display it in a native data field. If it's written to the .fit, that's an unknown. The va-hr has one too and displays it, but to get temperature in the .fit, you need a Tempe. IIRC, the f3 writes the internal data to the .fit though so it could be the f5 will too. (the f3 will also work with the Tempe)
With an edge, consider that you don't have it on your arm and it's surrounded by the ambient air, so the device itself isn't impacted by skin temperature, sleeves, etc. On at least the 520, you can't even pair a Tempe IIRC. With the va-hr, I'll often see the internal sensor off by 5F (high by that much) from a Tempe that's out in the ambient air.
The Tempe is pretty inexpensive, and for mine I have it attacked to an s-biner so it can be clipped to my pack, belt loop, bike seat, etc, and be out in the air. It's just like a footpod and comes so you can attach it to your show laces, but I wanted a slightly different attachment (the clip cost me about $2US)
The F3 writes it's temp readings to the FIT file so I would guess the F5 will as well.
In terms of how much the internal temp sensor differs from ambient temp I've seen as much as 15f depending on how cool/cold it is outside. I've also seen the Tempe sensor get varying readings depending on whether the direction I'm running keeps it out of direct sunlight or not.
I'm all for new analytics, I'd even say I'm a sucker for that, but at the end of the day it's probably more reasonable not to put too much faith in what are always going to be "estimates". It's probably fine for a TEv1 which is very broad or VO2Max to see the trending but the more specific it gets the more prone to error it could be...not sure LTHR has been very useful vs deriving it from actual race times
I don't disagree, but I think that making your mind up on whether the new data are any more useful than the old based on one post from one athlete who's been using it in beta for a week or two is premature :)
I find TE and VO2max useful as a guide to training and condition; VO2max in particular when coming back from injury layoffs. Mostly I find I get new LTHR values when racing (so, as you say, it's not any more useful than working it out from the race pace), but again, when coming back from layoffs, it pops up in training runs and gives me an idea of how well the recovery is going. Obviously that tends to mean not very well, because a training pace/duration is pushing me into zones that will trigger the auto LTHR :rolleyes:
I've also seen the Tempe sensor get varying readings depending on whether the direction I'm running keeps it out of direct sunlight or not.
True, but the same would happen with an Edge devices. I use the extra clip to also keep it away for shoe level, as in summer, the pavement can throw a lot of heat.
Well shucks. I was pretty much decided on the F5S thinking that the size difference between the F3/F5X and the F5 wasn't great enough. These photos has me rethinking that not only because of the size but because it looks like the display is much better which my aging eyes will really appreciate.
Well we don't know that the 5S will have less of a contrasty screen, remember that it also has the new 64 colors even if slightly less resolution than the 5 and 5X. 47mm is still a very, very big watch. Rolex and the like are usually 40-42 mm and much thinner. The Fenix 5 still screams oversized "sport watch" to me. If you mainly wear casual clothes or won't always wear it 24/7 I think it can be a great look but I intend my new Fenix to be my nearly 24/7 365 watch so I want something more conventional. With small 6.25-6.5 inch wrists I still think the 5S looks awesome on a man because it looks like a "nice watch" and less of a sports piece...
