TSS Data Field

Can anyone point me in the direction of the TSS data field on the Fenix 5+? The manual says it should be there, but I've looked in every sub-menu and can't find it.

It's very handy to have "live" TSS during an activity - despite the fact that it'd rendered useless in Garmin Connect reporting by Garmin's insistence on using an average over time, rather than the actual TrainingPeaks calculation that is cumulative (although when you point that out to Garmin they farcically claim that they can't change it because it's TrainingPeak trademark...). It's great to actually have during the activity (as I do onthe Edge 1030) if you are, say, aiming for a particular TSS number for the workout.

0 AllanOlesen67 over 6 years ago

In the Bike activity, it is under Power -> Advanced in the data screen setup.

0 lj50 over 6 years ago

In the Bike activity, it is under Power -> Advanced in the data screen setup.

Thank you for the reply, and apologies; I should have specified “running activity”. As mentioned in my post, I use TSS on the Edge 1030 for cycling, but want it for running too. The manual doesn’t state that it’s only available for cycling.

0 AllanOlesen67 over 6 years ago

There is not any kind of native* support for running power in Garmin's watches.

TSS is a function of power, so with no native running power support, we shouldn't expect native running TSS support.

As far as I remember, Joop Verdoorn's Datarun Premium IQ data field can calculate running TSS. (It can for certain calculate RSS, but that is not exactly the same.)

(*: With "no native support" I mean that the native run app doesn't have any power aware data fields available, even if a running power meter is connected to the watch, and you can't set power targets in a run workout created in Garmin Connect. Everything related to run power relies on third-party solutions or IQ apps/data fields.)

0 blavla over 6 years ago

I think you are mistaken there.
If you have an RD external device (RD Pod or HRM-Run) you can add Running Power Datafields to your watch (Combo Running Power / Running Power) these are made by Garmin them self.

Running Power - https://apps.garmin.com/nl-NL/apps/741afa11-0250-48e2-86b5-14bd47e29391
Combo Running Power - https://apps.garmin.com/nl-NL/apps/a26e5358-7526-4582-af7e-8606884d96bc

Also with these added you can set our Power Zones and use them in a workout.

0 R_Tellis over 6 years ago

Even the Garmin Running Power is a CIQ app/data field and therefore not native to the built-in Running function of the watch.

0 lj50 over 6 years ago

There is not any kind of native* support for running power in Garmin's watches.

TSS is a function of power, so with no native running power support, we shouldn't expect native running TSS support.

As far as I remember, Joop Verdoorn's Datarun Premium IQ data field can calculate running TSS. (It can for certain calculate RSS, but that is not exactly the same.)

(*: With "no native support" I mean that the native run app doesn't have any power aware data fields available, even if a running power meter is connected to the watch, and you can't set power targets in a run workout created in Garmin Connect. Everything related to run power relies on third-party solutions or IQ apps/data fields.)

Thank you for replying. I understand that the TSS value for cycling is based on Power and Garmin's support for running power is... well, weak at best. But as you will know, TrainingPeaks assigns a variate of TSS that they refer to as rTSS for running activities (and "hrTSS" to other activities) based on pace. There isn't really a sensible reason why Garmin couldn't make that available.

0 AllanOlesen67 over 6 years ago

I think you are mistaken there.
If you have an RD external device (RD Pod or HRM-Run) you can add Running Power Datafields to your watch (Combo Running Power / Running Power) these are made by Garmin them self.

No, I am not mistaken. I very well know about these dataffields, and they are not native data fields, even though they are made by Garmin. They are IQ data fields.

0 AllanOlesen67 over 6 years ago

Thank you for replying. I understand that the TSS value for cycling is based on Power and Garmin's support for running power is... well, weak at best. But as you will know, TrainingPeaks assigns a variate of TSS that they refer to as rTSS for running activities (and "hrTSS" to other activities) based on pace. There isn't really a sensible reason why Garmin couldn't make that available.

Well, it is hard to know that you want rTSS when you ask for TSS. Especially because a lot of Stryd users use TSS in running too.

0 lj50 over 6 years ago

Well, it is hard to know that you want rTSS when you ask for TSS. Especially because a lot of Stryd users use TSS in running too.

With due respect, it's not really that hard to know. TrainingPeaks uses "Total TSS", including all its variants, consistently and interchangeably in it's reporting.If you look at "total TSS" in the calendar view on TrainingPeaks, all are included. Likewise in the Dashboard, likewise in the calculation of CTL, ATL and TSB. They don't distinguish, so neither was I.

And I use a Stryd too, but right now Garmin offers no variant of TSS (including rTSS and hrTSS) for activities other than cycling. Any of which can be calculated by the logic set out by TrainingPeaks so shouldn't be hard to do.

(Nothwithstanding that, as I said above, Garmin have totally screwed the TSS measure in the "reports" section of Garmin Connect by their stubborn and incorrect insistence on using average over time; rather than the aggregate, as used by TrainingPeaks).

0 DerDembo over 6 years ago

I think Garmin has to license TSS from TrainingPeaks (and technically so has everybody who offers a CIQ app, cf. https://trademarks.justia.com/859/13/tss-85913859.html). I don't know whether Peaksware is enforcing these trademarks or whether you could just replicate the formula and come up with a different moniker (probably) but I guess that is the reason why Garmin isn't too keen to include the differen TSS measurements in their watches.