5 Plus - GPS Distance coming up as much a 20% short in the woods.

Is anyone else having GPS distance measurement problems with the 5 Plus in the woods? I'm in the northeast US, and running mostly technical trails under tree cover.
I've tried 1sec recording and Smart recording. I've waited as much as 5 minutes after the watch acquires gps to let it get locked in. I've tried GPS only and GPS + Glonass. The watch is regularly measuring close to 20% short on distance, particularly on twisty trails. These are courses I've run dozens of times with my last watch as well as having done plenty of group runs with friends who are using other garmin devices.

The point is, I'm 100% certain that the 5 Plus is under measuring the distance. I'm actually on my second unit, (thanks to Clever Training and they're awesome customer service!) and still having the same problem. I'm kind of shocked to not be seeing others having the same problem here on this forum.

Has anyone else had this experience or heard about other 5Plus users who have? I could really use some help here...




  • My distances are mostly ok. My instant pace gets slower under tree cover.

    Me, too. My other GPS watch had the same issue. Connection is shown as "good" - however, it's clear it becomes slow and then disproportionately faster when you exit the tree cover.

    On Connect, I cannot seem to remember seeing the slowdown.

  • Guys, actually this issue isn't F5 (or F3 or any other GPS gadget) issue.
    Let's try to explain how distance (and mean speed also) is calculated, for example, with 1-second polling rate:
    1. Get coordinates of the current point.
    2. Get coords of next point (after 1 second).
    3. Calc the vector and add it's length to accumulated distance.
    4. Repeat above steps again and again.
    It's easy, but!
    We must keep in mind, that acquiring coordinates, especially in complicated conditions (city streets or forest is classical example), is statistically not guaranteed for every second.
    Moreover, because of miscalculation, caused by the GPS technology itself, such subsequently acquired vectors can be randomly spread +/- 10 meters even if you moving straight along the line.
    To avoid erroneous point calculation, all GPS receivers implements a kind of predictor inside.
    In the wrist devices it works like simple 2-points extrapolator (which is caused by limiting of energy and so calculating power).

    And now, lets pay attention to the distance / time boundaries to our model.
    If you are runing a trial in the forest, you can move with speed of 3-5 meters/sec. As for me, it's usually 16-17 kph (4.5 meters/sec).
    And in the forest your movement trajectory definitely will significantly curved!
    So, for one second you can move ahead by 3 meters and move right by 1.5, and next second move ahead by 3 meters and move left by 1.5. Actually it gives 10 meters. But GPS most likely shows you just 6 meters, ignoring you side movements.

    I did one simple test - uploaded the GPS track from my F3 into SASgis with detailed satellite view of site, where I can see any curve in my trial path.
    There was no surprises. Track cuts off almost all the noticeable bends of the path. In resulting when I calculate the path length manually (by the tool SASgis provides), I got 23% of distance difference!
    Of course, GPS one was shorter.

    So, conclusion - it's not bug of the specific devices, it's an issue of technology itself.
    And there is no wrist GPS (doesn't matter - Garmin, Polar, Suunto etc) which works without this issue.

    But as Garmin users, we have good option to correct this.
    All you need - the running shoes accelerometer (Foot Pod micro). Wear it on, calibrate it on the precise distance (1 or two miles), and you will get 1% accuracy either for distance and for speed.
    It perfectly measured instant speed (far better than non-Garmin devices, btw).
    In the settings of my F3 ("Sensors" tab) I set the speed and distance - "always from foot pod sensor".

    Time to time I check the the distance and recalibrate the Foot Pod. For new shoes (I mean new model) you need to measure new calibration factor, but it's easy to do.
    The distance measured is very precise. Of course, using one more accessory could be annoying, but Foot Pod is light and small. Salomon running shoes have small pocket where you can put it without the frame. And you can forget it for the year or so, untill the CR2032 battery still alive.

    I'm running hard trials (across the mountins, with the 350-700 meters elevation) 4-5 times a week, more than 2500 km per year, and the battery lasts for 11-12 month.

    Hope this can help you too.
  • Gurych, read what I wrote about slow speed when moving in a straight line. This can not be explained by corners being cut.

    It could in theory be explained by path prediction in case of a GPS dropout, but the GPS has not dropped out when I experience this.
  • I switched from a Fenix 3 to a Fenix 5+ and the GPS feels less accurate with the 5+.
    once running in a bit difficult conditions (under trees or in the city next to buildings) it gets real flacky.

    Bad example attached. Running circles in a park under tall trees. Never left the park, never went through the middle of the park, so the whole bottom part is a lie of the watch.
    Always kept it on the left arm, no changes to that.

    Second image is the same run of my friend running with a Fenix 3.. no more questions asked.ciq.forums.garmin.com/.../1416968.jpg
  • GPS is horrible on my fenix 5s plus. on my official halfmarathon it tells me around 22km. In the forest it is always behind my sony or pixel phone. the error is around 5% this is not good for a company who was specialized in navigation in earlier times
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    0 Former Member over 6 years ago
    Me, too. My other GPS watch had the same issue. Connection is shown as "good" - however, it's clear it becomes slow and then disproportionately faster when you exit the tree cover.

    On Connect, I cannot seem to remember seeing the slowdown.



    I'm pretty sure it ends up effecting total average pace in Connect. I had the issue happen at the very end of a run - right after a new lap was created. The Fenix 5+ recorded 30 seconds of slowed pace due to tree cover (I was running just under 7:10/mi).ciq.forums.garmin.com/.../1417149.jpg
  • "So, conclusion - it's not bug of the specific devices, it's an issue of technology itself.
    And there is no wrist GPS (doesn't matter - Garmin, Polar, Suunto etc) which works without this issue."

    Lots of good info here, so thanks for that!
    But to be honest, this makes no sense to me. As I mentioned in the original post, I ran all of these same courses for years with my old Suunto Ambit 3, and never experienced this.
    I've also run many of these same courses with friends who are using other Garmin models, and they are not having this same issue of huge under measurement of distance.
    Something with the 5Plus is performing poorly. Whether its software or hardware, is out of my knowledge base, but I can honestly say that the fenix 1 and 2 performed better for distance measurement in the woods than the 5plus does.





  • If I create a route on Garmin Connect and load it to the watch for my hike or trail run, will the watch still report a shorter distance due to GPS issues?


    I’m going to try this tomorrow, but I did work backwards and found the same discrepancy. Meaning I went into Connect and created a course based on a run I had just done.
    The run was measured by the F5Plus as 6.1 miles. The course created on Connect from the exact same route (entered manually) came out to 6.9 miles
  • I’m going to try this tomorrow, but I did work backwards and found the same discrepancy. Meaning I went into Connect and created a course based on a run I had just done.
    The run was measured by the F5Plus as 6.1 miles. The course created on Connect from the exact same route (entered manually) came out to 6.9 miles


    Yeah, let me know what the 5plus reports after run on the created course you follow. Just got my 5plus this week so I'll start doing some testing as well.

  • I started a thread on this back in July after noticing this on my 5x+ https://forums.garmin.com/forum/on-the-trail/wrist-worn/fenix-5x-plus/1375768-5x-plus-distance-accuracy . Same problem, short on distance riding MTB in tight single track trails.

    I haven't commented in this thread, because I was recently contacted by Heath from Garmin. He asked me to answer some questions about conditions, settings, etc. and let them take a look at my Connect uploads. Unfortunately, it's been a bad couple weeks for my riding and I haven't done my part. I also broke my FR305 that I was using as one of the devices to compare to. Hopefully I'll get a few more rides in this week, and I'll send him the information he requested.

    From what Heath has said, they want to know about these problems. Just posting here, in this forum, is good, but to get better results would be to actually contact them directly with the problem.

    This is a post he made in another thread:

    "We at Garmin would like to look into this more, but to do this, we need you to contact us directly since everyone uses their devices differently and in different environments. To do this, we need more details to understand what is happening with your device. To provide us with that data, please email us at [email][email protected][/email] with your device type in the title so that your email gets sorted to the correct team.

    In the body of the email, add the following:
    • Your concerns and any examples of what you have seen.
    • Software version of your device
    • Link of a sample activity that shows your concerns
    • Garmin Folder

    Once we have the data, we will work with you directly to improve on your concerns."

    If your having this issue, please email them. There's a chance that this problem can be fixed or improved.