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Fenix 5S/5 Plus - 4.65 Beta Release

Hello Fenix 5/5S Plus users,

We have new beta software ready for your upcoming adventures!

Fenix 5S Plus: https://www8.garmin.com/support/down...s.jsp?id=14333
Fenix 5 Plus: https://www8.garmin.com/support/down...s.jsp?id=14331

Note: Please allow for the updates to propagate across all servers. There is no need to post that the link does not work. It will after a bit of patience.

4.65 Change Log Notes:
  • Fixed issue where ANT sensor data would drop during an activity when connected to a Bluetooth 5.0 smartphone (ANT/BLE/BT 2.91 software)
  • Improvements to the Music Player
  • Various bug fixes
**Update** GPS FW 2.24 has been added to the download links above. Our public beta users are encouraged to load the new GPS firmware and use it for their next activities. If there are any activities where the GPS performance did not improve, we would like to see them. This also includes if comparing to previous activities. To send data to us for evaluation, please include the following in an email to [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]:
  • FIT file(s) from Garmin\Activity folder
    • FIT files from previous activities if comparing same routes

  • GarminDevice.XML from the Garmin folder
  • Subject line of email must use the following format: ‘Fenix 5+ Series - GPS 2.24 Evaluation - DATE_ForumUserID_ActivityType’ (ex. "20180823_odsweng_Walk")
Following these instructions will ensure your email and files are delivered and sorted correctly. Lastly, you will not get an email reply unless we need more information from you, but rest assured, the data sent will be evaluated.

Please note, the beta updates released on these forums are not suitable for APAC region devices.

Please send all bug reports to [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL], and indicate which model of the fenix 5 Plus series you have in the subject line.
  • In Navigation>Saved Locations there is no Delete All option as the Fenix3 has. If you have many saved locations , the deleting has to be one by one. Frustrating...
  • I do not believe this is the case. The Apple watch is designed for the mass consumer, does not support ANT+ devices and has no Firstbest analysis capabilities. It cannot even estimate VO2 max or track sleep (as most people charge it whilst they sleep). Depending on the Garmin watch you buy I believe they are focused on different sports and tasks and provide more "health and fitness" capabilities than most on the market today.


    I agree, as having owned a 5x, and have moved to the Apple Watch, there are many health oriented options that are missing from the Apple watch. First, the heart rate is only taken every several minutes, there is no internal sleep tracking, and the mapping is very small, only available on the watch, and in the actual apple activity app on the phone. There is no web-based information site where all of the data is pulled together, instead, either use several different apps, or export via RunGap or another app to GC or Suunto's Movescount.
    I believe the OP is referring to the "new" advances of the Series 4, which is the ECG ability that isn't available yet, and/or the "fall detection", also which isn't available yet. The ECG while interesting is only a 2 lead ECG, and isn't really accurate enough for a good diagnosis, but it does produce a pretty chart from the pics that are shown.
    To compare the AW with any of the Garmin series is apples to oranges, (Did I make a funny there?), as the Apple Watch is a Smartwatch first with fitness capibilities, and the Garmin is a Fitness watch, with Smartwatch capabilities. Different worlds.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 6 years ago
    I agree, as having owned a 5x, and have moved to the Apple Watch, there are many health oriented options that are missing from the Apple watch. First, the heart rate is only taken every several minutes, there is no internal sleep tracking, and the mapping is very small, only available on the watch, and in the actual apple activity app on the phone. There is no web-based information site where all of the data is pulled together, instead, either use several different apps, or export via RunGap or another app to GC or Suunto's Movescount.
    I believe the OP is referring to the "new" advances of the Series 4, which is the ECG ability that isn't available yet, and/or the "fall detection", also which isn't available yet. The ECG while interesting is only a 2 lead ECG, and isn't really accurate enough for a good diagnosis, but it does produce a pretty chart from the pics that are shown.
    To compare the AW with any of the Garmin series is apples to oranges, (Did I make a funny there?), as the Apple Watch is a Smartwatch first with fitness capibilities, and the Garmin is a Fitness watch, with Smartwatch capabilities. Different worlds.


    Completely agree and a good summary. I personally think the 'fall detection' it a waste of time unless you live alone and are over 70! Ultimately it comes down to what your requirements are for a watch. At the moment whilst i'm doing triathlons, Garmin watches meet my requirements the best, but when i'm older (>70) and live alone i'll probably be wearing an Apple Watch to tell me when i'm about to die! ;-)
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 6 years ago
    Comparing the apple watch to the Garmin one does not make sense since they are too different.
    HOWEVER, comparing software quality and device reliability is legal and is a nightmare with Garmin compared to Apple (and others).
  • I do not believe this is the case. The Apple watch is designed for the mass consumer, does not support ANT+ devices and has no Firstbest analysis capabilities. It cannot even estimate VO2 max or track sleep (as most people charge it whilst they sleep). Depending on the Garmin watch you buy I believe they are focused on different sports and tasks and provide more "health and fitness" capabilities than most on the market today.


    That’s not entirely correct. The Apple Watch can do VO2 max just like Garmin. And it is just about as accurate as Garmins devices it just doesn’t use first beat to do the calculations. The thing that aggravates me is that my friend that has a Apple Watch 3 and I have a Fenix 5+ titanium seems like it’s more accurate at gps than my Garmin we went for a run the other day and mine had a stupid moment where it had me running across our lake ( I didn’t know I could run on water) and my friend that has the Apple Watch had a really nice route. As a software engineer I’m really starting to think that Garmin only has junior developers working on their products and they don’t have any QA of any kind.
    Never-the-less I like my Fenix I just wish they would actually do some QA before releasing software.

  • I have experienced stucked battery meter. Yesterday I charged my F5+ and until now, the battery percentage is at 100%. What’s going on?
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 6 years ago
    I have experienced stucked battery meter. Yesterday I charged my F5+ and until now, the battery percentage is at 100%. What’s going on?


    This is just another known, unfixed bug - just take a look at the discussion unter "Disappointing battery life". ;)
  • After syncing my F5plus via PC (cable) I've received the update of the ANT/BLE/BT software to ver. 3.00. Didn't have time to test it yet though.
  • That’s not entirely correct. The Apple Watch can do VO2 max just like Garmin. And it is just about as accurate as Garmins devices it just doesn’t use first beat to do the calculations. The thing that aggravates me is that my friend that has a Apple Watch 3 and I have a Fenix 5+ titanium seems like it’s more accurate at gps than my Garmin we went for a run the other day and mine had a stupid moment where it had me running across our lake ( I didn’t know I could run on water) and my friend that has the Apple Watch had a really nice route. As a software engineer I’m really starting to think that Garmin only has junior developers working on their products and they don’t have any QA of any kind.
    Never-the-less I like my Fenix I just wish they would actually do some QA before releasing software.



    I think I can jump in here, having owned an Apple watch series 2, and 3, along with many Garmins, Suunto's, and Polar watches. I used to get all excited about the "sawtooth" tracks that were presented with virtually every watch I had, questing instead for the perfect watch that would give me a nice, smooth line right on the correct side of the path I was walking, or riding my bike. Alas, my friends, that's not going to happen, and here's why, and what I discovered.
    GPS Signals are accurate within about 15 feet, although Galileo is supposed to be within about 3 feet if I remember correctly. So, you have at the very onset a variability of 15 feet, +/- on either side of your actual location. Not to say it WILL be 15 feet, (or in actuality 30 feet), but it can go that far. Next, is the actual "ping" that the watch does, when it received the GPS signal, is it direct from the GPS? Is it a "bounced" signal from buildings? Is it near water? All of these things affect the actual location that the watch thinks it's at. And, last, and this is the most important part, is what the device itself does with the signal. Some devices, (Apple is good at this) actually smooth out the signals, to make them appear smoother, while others, (Suunto Spartans, and Garmin for instance) leave the signals pretty much "raw" as they're received from the satellite, or building, or whatever. The "new" Suunto 9's, do have an algorithm that interpolates your position so it won't ping the satellite so often, thereby saving battery life, but that's another story. Also, there is what happens when the watch's "track" is interpreted by whatever map service you're using, I've seen way different tracks from MyGPSFiles, Google, Mapquest, etc, they all treat GPS tracks differently.
    So, what's the bottom line? Save your money, buy what you want for other features, and understand that while your GPS track my "look" like a saw, that's because of what that little micro wave of information has given to the watch itself. Period. As long as you're within a few feet of where you actually were, you're good. There's may other things that are finite that can measure a watch's abilities, and the GPS Track is honestly the one with the most variability, depending on satellite availability, position of the watch, surroundings, tree cover, etc. More or less like trying to stack "BB"s"