Questions about and Looking for Ideas on Organizing 500+ GPX files

UPDATE: Read post #4. Seems all this time I've been battling known bugs that are not fixed when trying to organize many GPX tracks. My recommendation is to not buy this product until Garmin fixes the many issues associated with the required Explore app along with very wonky Collection Manager issues.

New Montana 700i user as I recently upgraded from a Montana 610t. I will be using the 700i for CO, UT, SD and other backcountry OHV, MTB, Nordic skiing and hiking. In my years of owning MANY Garmin devices, I have accumulated over 500 GPX track files where I also purchased many of those from a company called FunTreks. If you are not familiar with FunTreks, each guide book they produce has available tracks for purchase that correspond with the guide books. Short is I have a lot more GPX files than Garmin supports for Active tracks on the 700i and each guide book has its own microSD card. Obviously I can, and have, copied all the tracks to 1 card but since the limitation is 250 Active tracks, not all of the tracks show up on the 700i. Thus, my observations and questions. I have done a lot of searching on this and just don't seem to find a similar situation.

I believe my solution is going to be a combination of Saved and Archive tracks. I am also aware and have implemented Collections but have only worked with a total of ~ 200 tracks so far. I would like to have all 500 of my tracks on a single microSD card but that doesn't seem possible since the 700i only recognizes microSD Garmin/GPX/ gpx files as Active tracks.

  1. Is there a folder path on a microSD card for Archive tracks?
  2. If no microSD Archive path, can I copy GPX files direct into the onboard Garmin/GPX/Archive/ path?
    1. This one is strange. When I archived a gpx file that was on my microSD card, I see that file get created in the onboard Garmin/GPX/Archive/ path. When I listed that archived file as a favorite again, it was moved to the onboard Garmin/GPX/ path but the file size greatly increased. The gpx file size on the microSD card was 8 kb, when archived and then changed to Favorite, the exact same file increased to 271 kb. I have concerns that the way Garmin archives and unarchives files, I may at some point overrun storage and/or files stop showing up without my knowledge.
  3. Having multiple microSD cards and swapping them to accomodate how Garmin codes their storage seems a poor work-around. The microSD cards have plenty of storage to handle way more that 500 gpx files (250 saved tracks, 2000 GPX files, 2000 archive tracks limit per 700i specs) but because of the way one can have "Saved" tracks, storage along with gpx saved/archive track manipulation seems highly clunky at best.
  4. With Collections, I'm assuming that is more a db style of organization of the waypoints/tracks etc. that are available to organize once the GPX files are recognized on the 700I? If so, that brings me back to the issue of how to properly manage storage by way of questions 1-3.

If you've gotten this far in my post, thank you. I know there is a lot of detail and it is because I have spent a lot of time recently trying to get a handle on a good way to display all of my 500 GPX files, mainly for the tracks. I do thank anyone ahead of time for your responses and please let me know where the information I have provided might be confusing.

  • Some added information as I'm continuing to look at this. Reminder that I only have 200 gpx files (tracks) and they are all copied into my microSD card Garmin/GPX/ path. So all of those show up as Saved tracks. I do have all of those tracks included in Collections now. What I have noticed is even when I have 80 of those tracks in a collection, if I have that specific collection turned off, those same tracks still show up as Saved tracks on the 700i. Those same 80 tracks are not part of any other collection.

    My thoughts are to take all of my 200 current tracks and copy those into the onboard memory location of Garmin/GPX/Archive/ and then completely redo my Collections as I'm assuming the pointers of my current Collections will be lost if I move the GPX files around. More on that when I know what happens.

    Once I have those files in the onboard archive path, collections sorted out. I will report back. If that does work, then I see no issue copying all of my 500 GPX files into the onboard Archive path and should be satisfied. However, will say if that does work, then the microSD card storage is pretty much useless for my 700i as there is no camera.

  • Removed my microSD card which contained all 200 of my Saved tracks. I then deleted all but 2 of my Collections on the Garmin Explore browser access, that left reference to 10 tracks. I then sync'd via my Garmin explore app to make sure everything was updated. The results:

    • Aa expected, all of my 200 Saved tracks were gone when I went to look under Saved, including those 10 tracks from the two leftover Collections. That seems to confirm my assumption that Collections is only a pointer to a file.
    • With the microSD card still removed, I copied 30 tracks into the onboard Garmin/GPX/Archive/CO OHV/ folder and then disconnected from my MAC
      • I sync'd the Explore app
      • No tracks appeared as it seems the Archive folder will not recognize a nested folder. I then moved those 30 tracks to exist directly in the Archive folder. Those 30 tracks then showed up as Archive tracks. I again sync'd the explore app.
      • I then went into my Garmin Explore account via a web browser. No Unorganized data appeared there to allow me to create a Collection with the GPX files in put under Archive. That tells me GPX files in the onboard Garmin/GPX/Archive/ path can't be recognized and then added into Collections. Why? That is really not thought out very well at all.

    I find it interesting that Garmin states Collections will turn off and on tracks, waypoints etc. I see this as not true at all as the files in my Library stayed static and all files GPX continue to stay in the GPX path, not Archive. Collections appears to only be an organization method for files that exist as Saved tracks, waypoints etc. and does not turn off or on as Garmin publishes.

    Yes, I can most likely put all 200 of my tracks in Saved, create Collections for those tracks, move those files into Archive and then repeat for the next 200 tracks... but this will be a very tedious process and I will need to manually turn change each track to a Favorite on the 700i, no ability to just flip the Collection on and see all of the tracks in that Collection show up as Saved. 

    Do the Product Managers and developers at Garmin even use their own products? This is absurdly inefficient. Additionally, the information published by Garmin about Collections is wrong or misleading at best. Reference - Collections Manager on the Montana 700

    "Enabling or Disabling a Collection

    When you enable or disable a collection(s), the data contained within it will either be available or not available within its respective menu:

    • Tracks under Saved Tracks
    • Waypoints under Waypoint Manager
    • Routes under Routes Planner
    • Activities under Recorded Activities
    • Courses under Course Planner"

    Someone please tell me where I'm wrong here as I'd be happy to know I'm doing something wrong so I can get this corrected. Thanks.

  • It now appears I'm consistently running into a pretty annoying bug regarding Explore app (required) syncing with the 700i where my tracks are disappearing/duplicated. I did find that this bug has been known for some time now but has not bothered to have been fixed https://www.gpsrchive.com/Montana%207x0/Features.html#Ugly from this main list of reported bugs - https://www.gpsrchive.com/Montana%207x0/Common%20Issues.html

    • Database synchronization between the Montana 7x0 and Explore app is frequently corrupted (see Bug 18), resulting in lost and/or duplicated waypoints, tracks and routes in both locations. The work required to identify and remove each individual duplicate waypoint, track and route, especially for users with larger databases, can be a very tedious and time consuming process that tests the very limits of ones patience and sanity. Montana 7x0i users do not have the option of not using Explore, as many inReach features will not function properly without Explore synchronization. Therefore, we recommend using a Montana 700 with an external inReach device (most can be operated from the Montana 700 using 'inReach Remote').

    I'm ready to give up on this as it seems to just be a waste of my time as the product does not work the way Garmin publishes and documents. Very disappointing having spent the money on this device and running into these types of issues. Garmin, you really need to get your act together.

  • I then went into my Garmin Explore account via a web browser. No Unorganized data appeared there to allow me to create a Collection with the GPX files in put under Archive. That tells me GPX files in the onboard Garmin/GPX/Archive/ path can't be recognized and then added into Collections. Why? That is really not thought out very well at all.

    Standard operating procedure for all Garmin Outdoor Handhelds since forever. This is always how they have operated.

    Archive Tracks are stored for future access on the device only. They must first be 'Favorited' before they can be displayed on the map and used for navigation, etc.

    This is well documented on 'other' GPS Archive websites.

  • IF you do not use Garmin Explore, you will find your Montana 7x0 experience will be much more positive and enjoyable.

  • Did you miss the part right below that?

    NOTE: If your syncing settings are set to Sync Everything in the Garmin Explore website or app, the Library cannot be disabled in the Collections Manager on the device. Data that is in a collection will still be visible even with the collection disabled in the Collections Manager. 

  • Appreciate the responses.

    However, well documented on other GPS archive websites, easy to locate that info and published information by Garmin are all different things. Thank you for noting that as Garmin does not publish that info... at least not that I have found.

  • "IF you do not use Garmin Explore, you will find your Montana 7x0 experience will be much more positive and enjoyable."

    Is it possible to not use the Explore app with the 700i using the InReach feature? I spent more money to specifically have InReach and was of the belief I have to use the Explore app. If this is not true, I would love to know.

  • "NOTE: If your syncing settings are set to Sync Everything in the Garmin Explore website or app, the Library cannot be disabled in the Collections Manager on the device. Data that is in a collection will still be visible even with the collection disabled in the Collections Manager. "

    That's extremely lazy coding. I did see info by Garmin to consider not using sync everything but do not recall seeing that info, thank you. But again, pathetic coding. I'm sorry, but it really sounds like you're defending Garmin for some pretty bad coding here and no mention of the reported bug I referenced which is corrupting the GPX files.

  • Turn off 'Sync Everything' and start over, syncing only the desired collections, and your Explore experience will improve, but only marginally.

    I have reported Garmin Explore to be a total dumpster fire more times than I can count in these very forums, and still recommend not using Explore at all for best experience.

    The website you quoted earlier is full of similar warnings, bug reports and suggestions.