Recording Controls Output Format, "FIT and GPX"

And why wouldn't I be doing the same? It's my primary recreational bushwalking device and I also use it as a basic navigator/utility & safety device (Reach) when mapping in remote area's with other professional equipment. But I also leverage the data it collects hence the initial interest in the RINEX capability...which by default sets it a little further than simply consumer and recreational anyway.

And no, the FIT is not redundant at all. I just don't use it at the moment. One day I might decide to get into activities and share with my watch or newer devices, Garmin's software might improve or their future developments might pique my interest. If nothing else if I sell it some kid is going to want it because it will be be ubiquitous and expected. I'm open minded.

The output FIT is redundant to you, because you are using the output FIT and GPX. If you choose to use FIT files in the future, you can leave the output set to FIT and GPX. 

Essentially, either the FIT output with conversion to GPX is equal to FIT and GPX output, or one is superior to the other in some way. 

No one has identified if one is superior in some way to the other, but if so, why have an inferior output?

And if equal, why have two outputs?

Like2Hike

you have been told many times where is the difference is and why FIT is used and needed. Not even documentation for devs is something you consider of any relevance.

So it might be time to stop trolling here around.

You are correct. I have been told why the FIT file type is used and needed. And all of those remarks are worthless, because they have nothing to do with the question.

The basic question is why is there a FIT output and FIT and GPX output?

Stop trolling me and telling why the FIT file type is used and needed.

Like2Hike said:

The output FIT is redundant to you, because you are using the output FIT and GPX

No, it's clearly not because because choosing only FIT allows me to turn off gpx when I don't want it. It's a god option.

All new devices will save FIT, it's the new Garmin ecosystem. That's all I can save in my  5X+.

Legacy devices saved GPX only, that's all I get from my GPSMap 76CSx, 78sc & Rinos's & RV770 & Nuvi's.

Newer handheld devices such 66 series, Montana etc come with a blindingly obvious and thoughtful option to accommodate both.

You are confusing yourself with the semantics of the setting. Think of it this way, you are are getting FIT regardless because everything Garmin will. So the setting decision is simply "Would you also like gpx with that, yes or no?

And the way it is worded is actually very smart, it makes it clear you will get FIT regardless, or both file types will be saved that clearly differentiates the device behavior compared to others and helps existing users transition.

GPX is needed for any applications you may wish to use outside the Garmin ecosystem, it's an industry standard so important to differentiate. There is a long history there.

Simple.

Your tunnel vision is what is confusing you, you are lost only looking at a single device with a biased opinion. And you are simply looking at a basic line plot from either file on your screen to jump to a significantly incorrect conclusion that the functionality of the files is the same. A bicycle and a bus could also plot the same line on your screen but their functionality is completely different and incompatible. So could various CAD files I can view in other devices but they are also completely different functionality again.

I suggested you look at the files as it may help you understand but you didn't even bother and offered the lame and pointless excuse: "because I use the device for recreation". Really?.

You can look into a FIT, there are tools in the SDK link I posted earlier and they are Java so flexibility in the platform as you have already indicated you don't run Windows. It's not exactly rocket science.

If you are not going to listen, or take any effort of your own, or are out of your depth then suggest you move on.

I personally don't think you are deliberately trolling but the end result is the same to people here including very experienced users who have taken the time to help you. They are offended because you belittle their contributions as "worthless', as well as Garmins advice, and it seems the whole world is wrong, including the device and it's settings. Everything. Except you? 

Wombo24 said:

No, it's clearly not because because choosing only FIT allows me to turn off gpx when I don't want it. It's a god option.

All new devices will save FIT, it's the new Garmin ecosystem. That's all I can save in my  5X+.

Legacy devices saved GPX only, that's all I get from my GPSMap 76CSx, 78sc & Rinos's & RV770 & Nuvi's.

Newer handheld devices such 66 series, Montana etc come with a blindingly obvious and thoughtful option to accommodate both.

You are confusing yourself with the semantics of the setting. Think of it this way, you are are getting FIT regardless because everything Garmin will. So the setting decision is simply "Would you also like gpx with that, yes or no?

And the way it is worded is actually very smart, it makes it clear you will get FIT regardless, or both file types will be saved that clearly differentiates the device behavior compared to others and helps existing users transition.

GPX is needed for any applications you may wish to use outside the Garmin ecosystem, it's an industry standard so important to differentiate. There is a long history there.

Simple.

Your tunnel vision is what is confusing you, you are lost only looking at a single device with a biased opinion. And you are simply looking at a basic line plot from either file on your screen to jump to a significantly incorrect conclusion that the functionality of the files is the same. A bicycle and a bus could also plot the same line on your screen but their functionality is completely different and incompatible. So could various CAD files I can view in other devices but they are also completely different functionality again.

I suggested you look at the files as it may help you understand but you didn't even bother and offered the lame and pointless excuse: "because I use the device for recreation". Really?.

You can look into a FIT, there are tools in the SDK link I posted earlier and they are Java so flexibility in the platform as you have already indicated you don't run Windows. It's not exactly rocket science.

If you are not going to listen, or take any effort of your own, or are out of your depth then suggest you move on.

I personally don't think you are deliberately trolling but the end result is the same to people here including very experienced users who have taken the time to help you. They are offended because you belittle their contributions as "worthless', as well as Garmins advice, and it seems the whole world is wrong, including the device and it's settings. Everything. Except you? 

Amen!

HA! What is my tunnel vision?  Why do you tell me to look into FIT?  This thread is NOT ABOUT FIT FILES!!!!!!  This thread is NOT ABOUT GPX FILES!!!

I know the history, I have a sense of Garmin's future direction.  

Why can't "experienced users" get that?

"Would you also like gpx with that, yes or no?"

You can have GPX with it whether one chooses yes or no, because the FIT file can be converted into GPX.

The question is, why have two outputs that essentially do the same thing?

If the converted GPX files are different than the archived GPX files, why?  Was it intentional or a flaw?

Why do the Saved Tracks have an archive, but not the Activities when they have roughly the same number of total files that can be saved (250 vs. 300)?

Troills go away.  

P.S. Experienced users are so smart they don't realize that if I start a thread, I don't troll my own thread. I might troll someone else's, but it makes no sense to state I'm trolling the one I started. No one needs to comment here, and based on the quality of the comments they are serving no purpose.

No, because to have a fully functional GPX file on the device, it has to be moved out of the Archive manually.

I guess not so simple, huh?

Wrong again. The 66i saves it automatically, and you can upload it from the PC application that you are already using without have to do anything else on the device. If you did it on the device you would have do start it up and complete the action before plugging it into the laptop USB. A lot simpler, huh?

But I guess you know more about what we do than we do, right?.......