Smash Factor numbers seem very low?

Like i said.. i have faults in my swing.. get steep.. flip it.. spin it a lot.

But... once again you are avoiding answering the question i was asking... 1 to 1 energy transfer is impossible and a couple of those swings came off the club slower than i swung it?? Maybe this is why the R50 is reporting less than optimal carry numbers??

So.. maths.. i'm not sure why the carry distances weren't in the Garmin screen but like i said 95 yard was the longest.. so 95 /10=9.5.. if i get a smash of 1.20 then 9.5 x 12 = 114..and if i get my good delivery at about 1.25 smash then 9.5 x 12.5 = 118.75 yards.. like i said.. usual numbers i see with my crap delivery.. and.. the Garmin is give or take 20% out like other users have complained about it being!

So maybe the other users actually do have a point and not "indoor swing syndrome" like you keep wanting to put anyone having issues down to.. and like i said when i started this thread... maybe this is why people are seeing that 20% discrep in their carry distances.. or maybe it is just me and the Garmin R50 can't read my steep spinny flippy swing as well as my swing caddie SC4 could?.. strange how Trackman seems to be able to read it though when i go on there and generally tells me i swing PW around 80mph.. carry it about 115-120.. with a smash between 1.20-1.25 even with MY swing

Just to finish... this my trackman report for my 8 iron which was a particularly good strike/smash for me.. lol

Also... just look at shot 8.. club speed 75.4 and ball spped 70.7... that means the ball newer travelled fast enough to leave the club head!

maybe it is possible taken into account the loft, the club travels almost horizontal, but the bal goes upwards, the bigger the loft is the higher launch angle is and the lower the smash factor is 

Doubt it even if i was playing a flop shot with a 60 degree wedge.. but here is the Awesome golf data from the same session.. average is down due to a couple of bad shots.. but 1.01 average smash?

Dynamic loft of 36 degrees

Anyway.. i have spoken to my retailer and they have a ticket open with Garmin for me.

club head speed can be faster than ball speed.

need more data tiles posted. Launch angles, side spin etc…

first and foremost, fix the angle of attack.

You have to flatten that swing. This is the very first thing to change. I would be shocked to see face to path left of club face path with an AOA of -7 or higher.

Please show me any stat where club speed can be more than ball speed on this type of shot.. PW @46 degree delivered @ 36 degree dynamic loft. better still... replicate it on your unit and show me your club head speeds faster than your ball speeds and put up your data like i have done.

tour average angle of attack with a PW is -5 i am -10.. you go on about spin being high with the PW at 10400... tour average 9000-9999... not really going to arguie over 500 rpm?.. i went out in 3 degree 'heat' and couldn't be bothered aligning the unit so direction numbers maybe of but it wasn't the excercise for me 

Average launch angle for PW is between 20-25 degrees.. mine is pretty good there at 24.8

Here is me on trackman hitting at a golf lesson a couple of years ago... strangley was working on shallowing the club.. the red is 7 iron and the blue is 8 iron 3/4 swing... he was showing me how much more effective a good delivery is.. handle forward and all that.

Strange how my AoA is still -7 on the 7 iron but my ball speed is 20mph more than my club speed with a smash of 1.27.. and after working on it i improved it with the 8 iron to 24 mph more than my club head speed with a smash of 1.31... but still -6 AoA.

So my weakness is and always will be hitting into the wind.. weak flight short and usually a bit right cos i like to hit across the ball a bit... but my strengths have always been stopping golf balls on firm greens with my excessive spin. 

But i do know my game as it is at the minute and i do know the numbers i am seeing are not correct.

Just like when i started this thread..  my friend.. 1 H/cap.. Cat 1 union player.. probably one of the best ball strikers i have seen.. the type of guy who sells his clubs with the perfect black wear mark in the middle of the face and generally hits all the blue markers in trackman for perfect delivery with his clubs..assistant pro at a very reputable golf course in Yorkshire England.. i had to set the altitude to 9000 get this unit to get his 6 iron carry to 194 with a smash of 1.11.. his swing is lovely and flat by the way and he is always around 1.37-1.38 smash with that club

Look forward to your data showing you hitting your PW -10 AoA with a negative ball speed over club speed to show me how wrong i am because i keep showing you my data ?

So to finish.. my PW with these delivery numbers.

Trackman.. smash around 1.18-1.20 carry 115-120

Voice caddie SC4 - smash around 1.20 carry about 115 - 120

Mevo - smash around 1.20 carry about 115 - 120

Garmin R10 (friends) - smash around 1.20 - carry around 115-120

Garmin R50 - smash1.00 carry around 95 mph

I guess my last option will be to drive to the retaller i bought it from and actually compare a known good one to mine.. apples to apples so to speak

So i got to the range with my mate Archie... here is what i see with my unit with him hitting on it

both trackman and Garmin are set at 1000 elevation and 14 degree temps.. we actually play at 445 feet anyway in Bradford.. Yorkshire.. England.. so its not a massive increase for us.

sked him to hit with kirkland golf balls so we could replicate this at the range... didn't want to go walking out after pro v 1's!

Before anyone says anything we didn't align the toptracer we just turned it on so it shows a bit of a push.. and i absolutely know taptracer is more gimicky than accurate.. i just wanted to show a ball speed and carry distance more in line with his trackman data and he said himself it tends to show his carry pretty spot on!

We did do our best to align the R50 though

9 iron data

5 iron data

So as you can see here MY Garmin R50 seems to be showing much lower ball speed figures with 9 iron and starts to come into line a little more when hitting the 5 iron.. which equates to lower smash numbers.. much lower in the 9 iron which were my findings with my PW

This equates to quite a clear difference in carry numbers on both clubs

Also Garmin is showing a bit more spin and i wouldn't want to argue either way if it was Trackman or Garmin that is correct here and also a slightly higher Angle of Attack on the Garmin

Toptracer is showing both ball speed and carry distances in line with Trackman though and i can tell you watching him hit the ball the toptracer distance was more accurate than the Garmin R50

I will also be providing this data to Garmin support to add to my ticket i have open with them through my retaller and my last course of action is to arrange to travel to the shop and hit the one they have in the shop against mine to see if there is a difference in the same devices data

Without a doubt big discrepancies here. This person is not hitting a 5 iron at -5.5 AOA.

Take it to the retailer and see what they say once a few people hit shots with your unit.

Thank you

I started this thread for other people  i have seen many talking about having to adjust elevation and temps to get accurate carry numbers.. it shouldn't have to be done that way.. i was hoping it is more software related but if you are saying you do not see these kind of discrep's on your device then it could be a hardware issue.

To get his 5 iron carry the same as the trackman numbers and the toptracer's the unit's elevation had to be moved to 8000ft

Also on his AoA.. 7.5 with a 9 iron... it;s 4 on trackman... you can just see it and i did ask him last night... mine is usually between -6-7.. showing mine between -10-11 on Garmin but didn't want to get into an argument about it on a forum because it wasn't the point i was tring to make.

I guess i was hoping to get a few more people comment/share there data to see if they were getting similar 'issues'

I guess i am lucky to have a friend that does 'pure' it to get his data because i believe Garmins response to me with my data would not have been as favourable.. as it wasn't with you.. even though on toptracer at that same range my PW goes between 115-120.. lol

I hope anyone reading this now or in the future seeing 'issues' with their device gets a little help or guidance from my posts