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Give us back training center because many people refuse to use the cloud

Former Member over 10 years ago

I am frankly insulted by the creation of the cloud because I see it as an attempt by software manufacturers to severely restrict the use of the software. For my part I do not have an internet connection at home for several very good reasons and I have a laptop which I use at public WIFI hotspots to access the internet. I ride my bicycle daily for fitness and pleasure, generally between 10 and 20 miles though I have been known to ride 50 or more. I come home to download the date from my EDGE 800 to my home computer and review the ride. I use Training Center to plan rides, create new rides from existing rides...you know how this works.

SO NOW YOU'RE MAKING ME DRIVE TO A WIFI HOTSPOT BEFORE I CAN TAKE MY BIKE OUT? What gives, Garmin? Get off the cloud and get a better perspective of your customers convenience. I paid more than $500 for my Edge 800, have the decency to make it at least SOMEWHAT convenient to use.

If Garmin requires a cloud connection to use any of their products they are going to lose my business. I can't speak for anyone else. The Cloud is not only a big joke but it is a violation of privacy as well.

I can promise you that if I can find another GPS device that uses software instead of the cloud I'll be selling my Edge 800 to the highest bidder and leaving Garmin behind forever.

0 JSRUNNER_ over 10 years ago

You'd like to think the security flaws have been addressed but I've seen posts on here raising them again in the past few weeks. I far from against these all in principle but security both of access and of data preservation must be paramount concerns. That there are problems can be seen from the recent issues with celebrity photos being hacked and many other cases. Also unless people keep raising these issues we will lose any control of our data by default and it will then be very difficult to get back.

0 Dugiflopper over 10 years ago

I too would like to see Garmin as well as other device manufacturers get off this fad of doing everything in the "cloud". However this forum isn't the place to be letting Garmin know your view on it.

This is where you should tell Garmin ---> Submit Ideas to Garmin

0 Dr Phil over 10 years ago

As already noted, you can access your .fit files from the newer devices directly now so there is no need to upload the data to Garmin Connect. OK, older devices still require the data to be pulled off the device but you don't have to send it off to Garmin Connect. ANT Agent will still work and you don't have to have a connection to a Garmin Connect account. So, as already noted, nothing has changed if you don't want to use the Internet.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but you do need to have a Garmin Connect account for Garmin Express to work I believe. If that is the case, don't use it. Stick with ANT Agent and Garmin Training Centre or other non-Internet based application.

While GTC is a free program, albeit unsupported now, there are other options for both Windows and OS X that will do the job equally as well, if not better. SportTracks for one.

0 Former Member over 10 years ago

Wow! One angry person without any reason whatsoever. The only way things may change to your so-called disadvantage is if you decide to change to a newer product. However, as long as you can get the .fit file from the device, you will still be able to use GTC. AFAIK, that is still possible with all the newer devices.

You, my angry friend (using that term somewhat disingenuously) are very much in a minority. While I agree that not all new technology is necessarily good technology, in your case the term 'Luddite' seems somewhat apposite.

Good trolling post though. ;)

This was not a trolling post. I own the Garmin Edge 800. I bought it three years ago, and I average 15 miles per day riding my bike. I ride my bike daily, come home to download the data to analyze it.

I have no internet connection at home.

I'm not necessarily angry as much as incredulous that an international company would be so naive as to completely disregard the diversity in their customer base. We are all not clones of one another. I believe it would be incumbent upon common sense for the intelligent person to recognize that not everyone shares their advantages.

It was Marie Antoinette who whined, "Let them eat cake," before losing her head to the guillotine. I would surmise that it doesn't take a guillotine for some persons to lose their common sense.

0 schinder over 10 years ago

So what exactly is the problem? You have an 800. Garmin Training Center still works (even under Yosemite) , and it works with the 800. I have an 800 and use GTC with it, and it still works fine. Why are you complaining when Garmin has done exactly what you asked and given you a way to look at your data without an Internet connection?

0 travis.vitek over 10 years ago

I'm not necessarily angry as much as incredulous that an international company would be so naive as to completely disregard the diversity in their customer base.

I don't know what makes you think that Garmin isn't considering the diversity of the customer base. Sometimes companies have to make decisions for the greater good. By not supporting a native desktop application, Garmin can theoretically support more platforms with less maintenance. i.e., by using a web-based software they get support for Linux, Android, MacOS, iPad/iPhone, and more for less cost. At some point, some person(s) high up in the organization decided that this was the right decision, and you happen to disagree with them.

Census data from 2011 suggests that ~2% of the US population didn't have access to broadband internet, and ~30% opted not to pay for such service. If you are one of the 30% who chose not to pay for the service, then I must point out that one of the benefits of having internet access at home is access to Garmin Connect. If you are one of the 2% who live where no internet access is available, it is unfortunate that you are excluded, but given that nearly any device with a modern web browser can access the data stored on Garmin Connect, it seems like a reasonable trade-off.

Travis