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Widely varying paces when run is graphed in GTC

Former Member
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Am I the only one who sees (or is curious about) the general wide range of speeds on the chart (pace vs distance or time) in GTC and GC? I can run a pretty consistent pace, yet the chart shows these constant wild swings from 7:00 to 11:00/mi. And then my "best pace" for the entire run will be reported as 8:00+ or something (higher than the lowest swing). This is a pain, for several reasons, one of them being that I don't believe my time-per-range totals are accurate. (jpg attached)

(Note: This post is similar to a reply I added to someone else's post that's never been answered.)
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 15 years ago
    Added another jpg

    This one not smoothed. Still, does nothing for me...
  • Is the result you get at the end acceptable? I notice pace fluctuations after the event. But, like last night for instance, running at around 5:15/km the display was not changing much, a second either way. Yet the data recorded was fluctuating.
    While interested in the fluctuations recorded, it's the results that are of particular value. I have a good grasp of the pace I run and intensity I train at. So as long as the results returned accord with my perceptions, then I am happy.

    I coach triathletes, runners and cyclists. One thing I stress is the importance of knowing how hard a particular pace is and heart rate feels. Devices fail, numbers disappear, then how do you race? In training, it's important to train to specific intensities, but you need to 'feel' the intensity and relate it to the numbers.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 15 years ago
    Thanks for the reply, and I do understand exactly what you're saying. We can't reject our own feeling and self-knowledge in favor of technology.

    The underlying issue is that I'm not completely confident that I know yet when I am running, say, at 75%. Also, I'm a spreadsheet geek, and I am the kind of person who has to think back through the entire day, evaluate, and only then give my answer when someone asks, "Did you have a nice day?"

    The bottom line is that I could save $200 and check the time on my microwave clock, go out and run what I think is 75%, come back, and look at the clock again to find my overall time. But Garmin offers a device that they advertise can give me one-second splits (for gods sake,really?!). And they also offer to deposit those splits into ten different buckets called "ranges". So I'd like to be able to run a near-perfect three miles at 75% tempo, and then see a chart that is almost flat. I'd like to look at the ranges and see "21:00" in the range bucket I have set up for 75%. Instead, it looks like a bell curve.

    Is this what you see, using GTC or GC, after a tempo run with little speed variation? If you don't mind -- compare your results to the two jpgs I have posted. Thanks in advance.

    I really do appreciate your reply. Thanks for letting me vent a bit.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 15 years ago
    DW152 said:

    >>Since pace is important to you, then you might want to invest in a footpod. It gives better instantaneous pace values than using GPS. GPS works well enough for overall distances (and pace), but the point-to-point variability can be a little high, which leads to the noisy pace values that you are seeing.<<

    So I said:

    Thanks, I appreciate the reply. As I understand, then (and this does make sense), positioning by Satellite triangulation is not accurate enough to pinpoint me within inches. Doh! Of course there will be lots of noise.

    One option is for me to export the data, then, and either process it with a Perl script to normalize or remove the highs and lows, or massage it in Excel. I think.

    Thanks!