Another why doesn't Hiking count as Walking thread but with new developments

2971531 said:

There are many threads that ask why hiking does not count towards walking and previously the answer would be, that they're different categories

It still applies. Hiking and walking are two completely different activities. Or do you hike at 7-8 km/h (4.4 miles per hour - 5 miles per hour)? Or faster ?

Speed is only part of the difference.

It depends on where I hike. I'm actually mostly walking at the same speed when "walking" or "hiking". But that's not the point.
Hiking is still walking and should count towards walking related challenges and badges.

For example, there's the new badge for "Heart Walks" that would be great while hiking but I have to chose between walking related challenges and the new hiking badge. (Previously I just tracked everything as walking)

I started this thread because the addition of the new badges changes the situation IMO and should lead to reassessing Garmin's decisions.

Hiking and walking are basically the same thing. Speed is irrelevant. 

2971531 said:

Hiking is still walking

druidh said:

Hiking and walking are basically the same thing.

 No, it‘s not

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When do we start talking about walking?

Walking refers to brisk walking. The pace can vary from person to person. Walking is defined as walking at a rate of around 100 steps per minute or more. It differs from walking in its faster pace and the energetic use of bent arms. In contrast to Nordic walking, simple walking is done without poles. Unlike jogging, walking does not involve the so-called flight phase. This means that one foot always remains in contact with the ground during the movement.

As a middle ground between walking and jogging, walking is a gentle but effective endurance sport - walking strengthens the cardiovascular system and promotes fat burning.

https://www.aok.de/pk/magazin/sport/fitness/walken-ist-schnelles-gehen-ein-effektives-training/ 

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Walking is the common Anglicism for the popular version of the competitive sport of walking. In the recreational sport of walking, a higher speed is aimed for than in natural walking or hiking. Among other things, an active arm swing is used for this purpose.“

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking

Dude, did you read the translated text even? 
"Walking is defined as walking at a rate of around 100 steps per minute or more. It differs from walking in its faster pace and the energetic use of bent arms."
That should give you reason to rethink, unless you're reading this forum with a translator.

We're speaking English here, which means, that the term walking is used like the German word "Gehen" or "Spazieren". Walking can mean slow and brisk walking. If the kind of walking is important to you, you have to specify what kind of walking you want to do. It's similar to the German word "Laufen", which can mean "running", "jogging" or "walking".

Apart from that, if you're trying to berate an English speaking audience about the meaning of walking in the English language (not in German, where it's definitely used for a specific kind of walking), then at least use English sources to back up your claim.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Walking

druidh sorry about my fellow German. He's confused because "Walking" used in German speech refers to basically Nordic Walking without the sticks. I'm afraid he even downvoted us both (you sit at 0 even though you have my upvote)...

Edit:
From the article I linked above:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking#Leisure_activity 

"There are a variety of different kinds of walking, including bushwalking, racewalking, beach walking, hillwalking, volksmarching, Nordic walking, trekking, dog walking and hiking. Some people prefer to walk indoors on a treadmill, or in a gym, and fitness walkers and others may use a pedometer to count their steps. Hiking is the usual word used in Canada, the United States and South Africa for long vigorous walks; similar walks are called tramps in New Zealand, or hill walking or just walking in Australia, the UK and the Irish Republic. In the UK, rambling is also used. Australians also bushwalk. In English-speaking parts of North America, the term walking is used for short walks, especially in towns and cities."

Dude, did you read the translated text even? 
"Walking is defined as walking at a rate of around 100 steps per minute or more. It differs from walking in its faster pace and the energetic use of bent arms."
That should give you reason to rethink, unless you're reading this forum with a translator.

We're speaking English here, which means, that the term walking is used like the German word "Gehen" or "Spazieren". Walking can mean slow and brisk walking. If the kind of walking is important to you, you have to specify what kind of walking you want to do. It's similar to the German word "Laufen", which can mean "running", "jogging" or "walking".

Apart from that, if you're trying to berate an English speaking audience about the meaning of walking in the English language (not in German, where it's definitely used for a specific kind of walking), then at least use English sources to back up your claim.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Walking

@druidh sorry about my fellow German. He's confused because "Walking" used in German speech refers to basically Nordic Walking without the sticks. I'm afraid he even downvoted us both (you sit at 0 even though you have my upvote)...

Edit:
From the article I linked above (Section "Leisure activity"):

"There are a variety of different kinds of walking, including bushwalking, racewalking, beach walking, hillwalking, volksmarching, Nordic walking, trekking, dog walking and hiking. Some people prefer to walk indoors on a treadmill, or in a gym, and fitness walkers and others may use a pedometer to count their steps. Hiking is the usual word used in Canada, the United States and South Africa for long vigorous walks; similar walks are called tramps in New Zealand, or hill walking or just walking in Australia, the UK and the Irish Republic. In the UK, rambling is also used. Australians also bushwalk. In English-speaking parts of North America, the term walking is used for short walks, especially in towns and cities."

2971531 said:

not in German, where it's definitely used for a specific kind of walking)

2971531 said:

He's confused because "Walking" used in German speech refers to basically Nordic Walking without the sticks.

That's exactly it. Your definition is obviously wrong. Garmin builds sports watches with sports profiles. If you are comparing walking activity with going for a walk, that is wrong. Garmin's “walking” profile is fast walking. It's like the precursor to running. So it's the same as “Nordic walking”, which I'm sure you're familiar with. Except that it is done without poles.

It is faster than hiking and you pay attention to a certain technique of execution. The arms are swung like when running and the body is tilted slightly forward to maintain momentum.

This is what the Garmin “walking” activity profile means. Not a slow stroll. But fast, sporty movement.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

bluefish, we are speaking English and not German here. The word "walking" has a different meaning in English.
Go and translate the English wikipedia article with deepl or learn some basic English words. I guess "walking" is one of the first ones you'd learn.
You cannot assume that just because you use an anglicism in some specific way, that it is also used that way in that anglicisms original language.

As for the sports profiles: There are a couple of walking profiles. But the name of the category for all kinds of walking (Nordic Walking, walking, casual walking, ...) is "walking". Every one of those sports profiles counts towards the badges/challenges for the "walking" category, and so should hiking.

2971531 said:

bluefish, we are speaking English and not German here. The word "walking" has a different meaning in English.

I know. And I have just tried to explain to you how the “walking” profile is defined by Garmin.

You can also understand it by looking at the preferences for speed in the settings. The default setting there is “PACE” for walking, and SPEED for hiking. PACE is used for faster sports.

But before you continue trying to distinguish the different definitions between English and German, I recommend you ask Garmin directly WHAT kind of locomotion GARMIN ITSELF means by this. Because that is the really important thing to get a satisfactory answer.

Ah, nice, so we have an understanding about the definition of the word.

Then you might also notice, that I haven't talked about the walking sports profile specifically?
I was talking about the walking category badges and challenges. The ones where "casual walking" would also count towards. If casual walking is allowed inside the walking category, then so should hiking be.