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Training Effect not calculated on Edge 1000

Kippyjam
over 2 years ago

I completed a long endurance race of 330k using my Edge 1000, no 'Training Effect' is showing for this activity so its thrown my Training Status out and so thinks I now have a Status of 'Recovery'.  How can this be resolved?  This has massively affected my V02 max and my training load graph as you can imagine.  I'm pushing my training at the moment for this years A Race in September and I need the feedback to be accurate!!!

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  • 0 over 2 years ago

    Hm, I do not see the Training Effect (or VO₂max) as a supported feature on Edge 1000. Are you sure you already got some value from the device without using a 3rd party app such as Zwift?

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  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to trux

    Honestly I'm not sure!  I normally use my Fenix but knew it wouldn't last the distance so relied on my Edge for the whole thing with all sensors and HRM connected to that.  Maybe I just made that assumption incorrectly?  Properly peeved if that the case as it will throw out all my numbers.

  • +1 over 2 years ago in reply to Kippyjam
    Kippyjam said:
    Maybe I just made that assumption incorrectly?

    Unfortunately yes. The specs tell it clearly.

    Kippyjam said:
    Properly peeved if that the case as it will throw out all my numbers.

    Not all, just some of them, and only temporarily. Not a tragedy.

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to trux

    It was a 320k ride, I know it will bounce back but the system still thinks I'm in recovery. looks like I'll have to think about upgrading.  I wouldn't have described it as a tragedy, bit over dramatic, but keeping on top of training for a double triathlon means I have to have accurate numbers.  Luckily I've still got training peaks numbers to go off.

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to Kippyjam

    ... the only way that comes on my mind, and that could perhaps help you approximately fixing the metrics, is finding a similar activity among your past rides, editing it with an external tool such as the FIT File Tools, changing the date and the ID, and then placing the modified FIT file into the folder //GARMIN/NewFiles/ on the watch. I am not 100% sure the data will be fully reparsed and included into the Training Load, but it may be worth of trying.

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to trux

    that sounds like a great idea, thanks.  Hopefully I can at least figure out some sort of number :)

  • 0 over 2 years ago in reply to Kippyjam

    Hi, if the entire 330K event was recorded as a single activity, then the Training Effect (Aerobic) will most likely be 5.0 (no doubt with the "overreaching" label tacked on). Garmin's system maxes out at 5.0 so pretty much any multi-hour activity will peg there.

    Similarly, Load (or EPOC) uses a diminishing returns model where the accumulation of Load slows down the longer the activity goes on. (The model seems to focus on the training impact of relatively short activities of various intensities, rather than endurance activities.) That said I don't know what practical "ceiling" it might max out at. I reviewed all of my 5.0 TE activities and the highest Load among them was 406. Most were in the low/mid-300s. You could do a similar review of your activities to see what's the highest you've had, to help ballpark estimate it. (Heck you could possibly even use Strava's Load number as an estimate, since I think it follows a similar model.)

    I don't know if you can get these metrics into your records after the fact since they are calculated on the device during the activity and at the end. gave a good idea to try. I tried another idea but it didn't work (used Fit File Repair Tool to edit the TE and Load numbers, and re-imported the FIT file into Garmin Connect). Maybe Trux's on-device idea might have better luck.

    Also it's possible that the metrics for Training Status are actually passed in one of the non-activity FIT files on the device (similar to new Records, user data, settings, etc.) I've not explored that before.

    In any case, assuming nothing changes, then your metrics will recover after 7 or 30 days (depends on the metric in question) as they flush out of the system.