Error in DAILY SUMMARY graphic: time vs moving time vs elapsed time

nobody?

Yes, it seems to show the moving time. We can only speculate, whether it is intentional or not, but frankly told showing only the moving time instead of the total elapsed time makes more sense to me.

if the line below the graph represents the hours of the day... 

What about the pulsations?

7309017 said:

What about the pulsations?

What do you mean? Is there any problem with them too?

He's saying that the HR graph is based on time of day, not "time of activity". So say you had a 2-hour activity that started at 9:00 with 3 hours elapsed time (1 hour of paused time), then it doesn't make sense to show the activity as occurring from 9 to 11, because it actually happened from 9 to 12. Let's say the hour of paused time occurred from 10 to 11 -- then there's whole section of HR (11-12) which should be visually associated with the activity, but it won't be.

If I had to guess, it's not showing "moving time", but "unpaused activity time" (i.e. the same thing that's used for the total activity time in the summary aka "Time".)

It's inconsistent and it doesn't make sense to me. If I work from 9 to 5 PM (17:00) with a break for lunch from 12 to 1 PM (13:00), I still worked from 9 to 5 (17:00), not 9 to 4 (16:00). If I looked at a graph of my work day and it said I worked from 9 to 4, that would be wrong. If that graph was overlaid with my HR or other metrics, then it would be misleading.

Then the question becomes, what does the HR graph above the activity line represent? The HR values that were recorded during the activity itself, or the HR values that were recorded during that period of time? (I think it has to be the latter, since the activity can be paused, but activity monitoring can't be paused. Especially since the all-day HR graph is continuous even if you pause an activity for significant amounts of time, assuming you don't take off your watch.)

IOW, I think that activity HR (e.g. running or cycling) and activity monitoring HR (i.e. 24/7 tracking) are saved independently and with different granularity. For example, the max HR shown on the daily graph or the HR widget on watch is often lower than the max HR recorded during a hard interval workout, because the sampling rate for the activity is more frequent, and it misses the kind of short spikes that you often see during workouts.

So I think the daily HR graph is "right" insofar as it represents what was recorded for 24/7 tracking (with lower granularity than activities). That's my educated guess anyway.

IMO, the way this should be handled should be to show the elapsed time in the graph (for the green horizontal bar that represents the activity). If they wanted to get really fancy, they could show dotted lines or breaks in the green bar for the times that the activity was paused, if they're significant enough.

It is simple - the HR graph shows your HR, the movement graph shows your movement, and the activity bars show how much time you've spent in an activity. Correctly it should be split in several parts, if there were pauses within the activity, but it makes sense keeping it as one piece, too (it was finally a single activity), so that you can compare its lenght with others. If you want to see the HR graph during your activity, look rather at the activity details, than the daily graph.

And if you'd prefere a different way, suggest it to Garmin through the form  Submitting an Idea to Garmin, because we cannot help you in any way to change it, here on the user forum.

It's not for me, I'm just agreeing with the OP that the current scheme is wrong, and explaining my reasoning.

trux said:

the activity bars show how much time you've spent in an activity

And that's where I disagree with you. The activity bars show you how much time you've spent in an activity AND (implicitly) when that activity started and stopped. The error Garmin made is presenting the latter as being equivalent to the former when that's not true in general.

Any other data that coincides with an activity bar is also implied to be associated with that activity, and any data which doesn't coincide with an activity bar is implied to not be associated with that activity.

All of that implicit information will be very wrong for any activity with a significant amount of paused time.

That's implicit in the presentation of the graph, and that's what's incorrect. It's obviously an edge case that Garmin doesn't care about.

Personally I don't care because I don't look at the activity bars on that graph, but I can see why others would care.

trux said:

And if you'd prefere a different way, suggest it to Garmin through the form  Submitting an Idea to Garmin, because we cannot help you in any way to change it, here on the user forum.

Are we only allowed to discuss things that other users can help us with on this forum?

It isn't enough that we provide free user-to-user support for Garmin, but we have to make sure that we don't complain about things we don't like?

It's known that at least on the device-specific and CIQ forums, Garmin employees will read posts.

At least if an issue is brought up here, it gets visibility with other users.

WillNorthYork said:

Are we only allowed to discuss things that other users can help us with on this forum?

Discuss whatever you want, but do not expect Garmin will act upon on the disussion here. You are definitely safer requesting a change directly at Garmin, than requesting a change on the user forum.

It was a friendly advice, not a rebuke

It seems I don't like to stop so it took 6 months for me to notice this bug. Considering the 3 year old post complaining about the same thing, I don't think there is much hope that it will be fixed.