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Average swim speed wrong in reports section

Hi,

with the Version: 4.26.1.0, 20.1.0.152

Suddenly this evening I see that the average pace time in the report section is now calculated on the entire swim session time, which includes all the rests time !

Now my average is total nonsense.

My swim session of this day was a full time of: 1h39m24s the average calculated on the report is 4m08s/100, this is math correct, but not at all for my activity that state it's an average of 1:20 min/100 m because the activity is based on the real moving time.

Don't you know it's very hard to swim at such pace of 4m08s/100 T_T

Could Garmin correct this please ?

Thanks ^^

  • I do not quite understand what you are complaining about. There are both the average pace of the activity including the rest time (4:08/100m), as well as the average pace excluding the rest time (1:20/100m). So what information do you miss exactly? You have both of them, and both are equally important. Neither of them should be missing.

    For example at long distance swims of several kms, I definitely need to know my total average pace including the rests (regardless if I do any or not). In such case the average pace excluding the rests does not interest me as much. In your case it is the opposite, because you train for short distances, and the rests do not interest you.

    Similarly, when I train apnea series, for example 16x50m apnea, unlike you, I definitely do not want to have the rests (breathing) removed from the totals - they are for me as important as the active swimming (apnea).

    So I do not think that Garmin needs to correct anything. As far as I see, the data is there. Or did I misunderstand your demand?

    If you do not wish including the rest time in the activity, you have several options: 

    • You can pause the activity each time you stop for the rest, and start it again before you go on (this one may be the best for you)
    • At outddor activities, you can enable the auto-stop feature, that detects when you stop moving, and pauses the activity automatically for that time. Currently not available for outdoor swimming, though. And for all indoor activities either. At least not on my watch (and likely on others neither).
    • You can trim the resting time at the beginning and at the end of the activity in Garmin Connect, by using the Trim function under the cogwheel symbol (currently not available for swimming, but you can easily bypass the limitation by temporarily changing the activity type to running, an setting it back to swimming afterwards)
    • You can export the activity into a FIT file, remove the resting times with the Section Remover, and import it back to GC
    • You can export the activity into a CSV file, or in another file format that you can edit in a text editor, or with another tool
  • Hi thanks for reply.

    I miss exactly the average pace excluding the rest time on the Average Pace Swim reports section (first screenshot with annually, monthly, weekly), my average pace was at 1:29 /100m last time I've seen the graph before the bug.
    That was simply not based on the wool session time before but only on the moving time without exercises.
    And so why the Insight graph section compare our average pace on the moving time only? (I'm at 1:30 on this graph).

    I obviously already pause my watch at each rest when necessary, If not I would not a have an average of 1:20 /100 on my activity, so the graph is simply wrong. The calculus is already fine in the Activity result itself as it use only the moving time without exercises to get the average pace. (second screenshot).

    a=Session time: 1:39:30

    b=Moving time with exercises: 36:04

    c=Moving time without exercises: 17:19

    d=Distance for session : 2400m

    e=Distance without exercises: 1300m

    Average pace on the activity: 1:20 /100m ( c / e / 100) = OK

    Average pace time read by strava: 1:30 /100m ( b / d / 100 ) = OK but not as accurate because of exercises.

    Garmin reports Graph for Average Swim Pace: 4:08 /100 ( a / d / 100 ) = Calculus ok, but pointless...

    You can't compare an average pace time on a month which includes some rest time with another month which not, the average would mean absolutely nothing. how could you see an evolution based on reliable data ?

  • Garmin reports Graph for Average Swim Pace: 4:08 /100 ( a / d / 100 ) = Calculus ok, but pointless...

    As I explained, it may be pointless for you, but not for others. If it changed recently, as you seem to be claiming (I did not notice it), it may be the reason why Garmin did the change. I agree though that it would be much better if the user could choose, or if there were reports for both values.

  • Ok

    But the Swim report is for Swim activity not for any others.

  • Of course, we speak about swimming

  • I also have this issue.  Is it a bug?  I swam 1 continuous session for 750m with a pace of 1:32/100m.  I pressed start at 0:00 and pressed stop at 11:27.  I usually don't linger around the pool either.  My avg pace is shown to be 1:49/100m.  A little confused here.  Reason why this is relevant is because they use my avg pace in the insight.  Does avg pace take historical swim into account?  I do swim at like @2:00 when I follow slower people in the pool.  Kind of defeats the point of insight if it takes the avg of all your swims.

  • Does avg pace take historical swim into account? 

    You comment seems to be off-topic here, since the OP speaks about Reports, and not about Insights.

    However, back to you question: Yes, it does. Although, by default it is for the current month. You can select the month, or the full year in the dropdown menu beneath each graph.