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Please improve sleep algorithms

 Former Member Former Member (Just an extra effort to get noticed)

Dear Garmin

Please improve your sleep assessment algorithms.  I believe the current software is meeting its supplied specification, but the results are not useful.

(1) '8 hours of sleep' is not a useful goal for all individuals, particularly across age groups.  One treatment for insomnia is sleep restriction, in which the individual limits sleep hours to determine a period without wakefulness.  In my case this is probably between 7.25 and 7.5 hours, and achieving the green tick mark for 8 hours indicates that I am 'out of sorts' - I recovered from an earlier lack of sleep, and on subsequent nights I may sleep poorly due to oversleeping on the 'successful' night.

Suggestions: Starting from a default of 8 hours, (a) Allow a manual setting for the target number of sleep hours; (b) Make the setting a range to encourage consistent sleep habits instead of weekend recovery patterns; (c) Offer automatic adjustment which would estimate the individual's target sleep hours based on weeks/months of collected data.

(2) The current algorithm appears to apply a model of 'deep sleep' occurring within the first few hours of going to bed, however in the example provided below it is not sufficiently weighting data from the motion and/or heart rate sensors.  This is not the worst example I have seen, merely the recent one which spurred making the complaint.  In this case I knew that I had a hard time falling asleep due to worrying about something, and my next day exercise performance was impaired more than I expected.

Suggestions: (a) Fix the system so that it does not identify 'deep sleep' when the user is stressed and fitful; while an EEG might have confirmed delta waves in the period highlighted, the current result does not provide useful information to help predict my performance or moderate my effort.  (b) Provide stress / heart rate / HRV data on the sleep timeline as I have pasted together here; offer this together (not a choice between motion or stress overlays) to improve the richness of the sleep data presentation.  (c) My own experience and comments on forums have suggested to me that the total hours of 'motionless sleep' as noted on the figure correlates well with my sense of fatigue or 'restedness' the following day; please provide this value on devices with heart rate sensors, ideally with an optional threshold for what is counted as 'motionless'.  (c) Even better (I suspect), provide a counter for sleep time that is 'low motion and low stress' - and probably this is where I would most benefit from the tick mark indicating successful sleep.

I understand that the current sleep stages results are based on research by FirstBeat, and further that motion is inhibited in healthy individuals while dreaming.  For developing my own fitness however, I do not need an estimate of brain wave state (which I do not believe is currently working anyway).  Instead, I am looking for more information to help decide between 'can push harder' and 'maintain effort but avoid injury'.

Thank you.

  • You are of course absolutely right that the Garmin sleep tracking is painfully behind the accuracy of competitor products, but this has been raised in here many, many times and Garmin shows absolutely no interest let alone any desire to improve it. I can’t believe they don’t cringe a little when they read of people sleeping with their old Fitbits on because the sleep tracking from their flagship Garmin devices is so unreliable. 

    The only thing I really miss about the Apple Watch is the incredible, unerring accuracy of AutoSleep. 

  • I second this!

    Both, my VA3 and my Fenix 6 Sapphire are really bad at tracking sleep. Also determining the actual bed times fails most of the time.

    I owned a fitbit and an Huawei wearable with less sensors before the two Garmins and thier seep tracking was way more accurate.

  • First time when i start to wear Fenix 6 pro, first night was incorrect, and after 3 in row show me correct time! i,m not like sleep in watch, after time i try to see my sleep and it was same like before, first day incorrect and now 5th day correct like Swiss watch:) 

  • I am so glad I am not the only one!  Garmin come up with ticks to encourage you (steps, activity minutes, hydration etc) and include one for sleep but then have a totally useless algorithm for deciding when you are asleep!  Garmin, get this fixed PLEASE!!!