Consistent Vo2Max across devi

My guess is because, as the FR230/235 Owner's Manual states,
?The estimate may seem inaccurate at first. The device requires a few runs to learn about your running performance.?
so even though, from my understanding, VO[sub]2[/sub]max estimates do not use past estimates at all in calculations, the above suggests they do use statistics on recent running performance (Heart rate against pace under steady/increasingly stressful conditions, perhaps?) from multiple activities. By not having that history of recent runs on the device, the VO[sub]2[/sub]max estimation module would either use outdated data, or omit using historical data as if it was a new (or recently reset) device.

I've not known Garmin Connect to push old activity records to devices during sync, or devices to activtely pull such records from GC.

When I mentioned GC overwriting what's on the watch I was talking about the problems people have with alarms and such, not activities. But still, with the True Up feature they sync steps, floors climbed, all day HR, etc. across devices. So why not making sure that the last X number of runs and current Vo2Max are combined and shared across devices?

When you have a new user with a new device of course it's going to take time to develop a stat that is an estimate like the Vo2Max on a Garmin watch. But for somebody like you or I who have had several devices and years of data in our GC profile why should a new watch cause a sudden huge drop in a stat that is a selling point for that watch.

If I go back this time next year and look at this summers training I will have to keep in mind that it was because I changed my principle recording device that I had a big drop in Vo2Max during my peak training weeks.

Does it change what my actual fitness is? No, of course not. But the point of having a watch that does these things is so that we can track changes over time and see trends as they go up or down and if that is artificially altered, simply by adding a new device, the trend and the data is as well and becomes less useful.

Quite frankly, in the current scheme of things (including what I am guessing is the licensing model), every "powered by Firstbeat technologies" feature will operate as a standalone feature locally on each device supporting it -- even if you have two physically and functionally identical FR735XT watches, say --- and GC will not bridge between devices to provide continuity or consistency across multiple devices in that regard by syncing supplementary data used in calculations. All GC does is receive the final results of calculations from registered devices and record it against the user's profile.

I agree that the licensing model Garmin has with Firstbeat is probably a big part of it. I would hope that it might be something they'd want address now that they have more devices that are meant to be complementary that both have the same functions. Like the new Edge devices and Fenix/935 line both having Training Load but a bike ride on the Edge won't effect the load on the Fenix if you have both.

This is the reason which prevents me to buy new/additional garmin devices.
I would have bought a dedicated cycling unit long time ago if it wouldn't mess with my perfomance data of the tri watch. If this would work like the steps do now, I would immediately buy one.

But still, with the True Up feature they sync steps, floors climbed, all day HR, etc. across devices.

All day HR won't sync via TrueUp. Heck, it won't even store on the same device. Try rebooting your watch, all HR Data (except RHR) will be lost and RHR will even be calculated anew from the time you restarted your device. Very annoying! Thats why I cannot use my VAHR during work and my fenix 3 HR for the rest of the day. It messes up my RHR calculation... tried and retried over and over again...

So yes, an expansion of TrueUp would be nice (24/7 HR data, Vo[SUB]2[/SUB]max, Stress Score, recovery time, training effect, and -god forbid- maybe even activities). Everyone with more then one device could profit from this, especially those with Edge devices.

If you have an Edge 820 and your device supports varia vision you can use the 820 as a remote display and record your rides on your device rather than the 820 which will help with a few these issues, but by no means all.

All day HR won't sync via TrueUp.

Is there a comprehensive list somewhere that shows what exactly syncs up between decides through TrueUp? I assumed all day HR did, so this is kind of disappointing. I'd been considering getting a VA3 at some point for a smaller, daily-wear watch and using my 935 primarily for activities and exercise.

Is there a comprehensive list somewhere that shows what exactly syncs up between decides through TrueUp?

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/blog/fitness/garmin-connect-updates/

TrueUp Your Data¹ : Switch between activity trackers and continue to get the most up-to-date data like step count, calories burned, flights of stairs climbed and intensity minutes! TrueUp allows you to choose a preferred device that displays the grand total on your wrist.

I assumed all day HR did, so this is kind of disappointing.

Now why would you assume that? From the description above, basic daily (and possibly weekly) accumulators on the wearable devices are synced via TrueUp - essentially presenting as shared virtual accumulators - but not series of individual data points recorded over a time span.

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/blog/fitness/garmin-connect-updates/

TrueUp Your Data¹ : Switch between activity trackers and continue to get the most up-to-date data like step count, calories burned, flights of stairs climbed and intensity minutes! TrueUp allows you to choose a preferred device that displays the grand total on your wrist.



Now why would you assume that? From the description above, basic daily (and possibly weekly) accumulators on the wearable devices are synced via TrueUp - essentially presenting as shared virtual accumulators - but not series of individual data points recorded over a time span.

Thanks for the link.