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How can I see both time and distance for an activity?

Former Member over 8 years ago

Hi guys,

How can I see both the distance I ran and the time it took when I'm looking at a running activity in Garmin Connect? For example, I ran 5.08 km and I want to see how much time it took for the first 4 km, or for the km between 2 and 4. There are different graphs, but all of them seem to show various parameters against time or distance, never both of them in conjunction. That sounds like a very basic feature, but it's either missing or I'm failing to see something quite basic. Any ideas?

Cheers,
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Former Member over 8 years ago +1

Well, I already have 300m splits. The 4 km was just an example, I want to be able to analyze different segments of my runs and they aren't necessarily equal or a multiple of something. I can already do…

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0 ASmugDill over 8 years ago

@JSRUNNER_: I have no problem with anyone wanting to see both time and (or against, or alongside) distance for an activity. However, too many people jump straight to solution mode, even though they don't rightly have a place at the table, so to speak, for designing how something they neither own nor manage works; and, when they don't have want they want, and aren't in a position to satisfy themselves, they start making statements about how something is a “basic” or “essential” a feature is, and/or either accuse or allude to someone else being incompetent or negligent because something (they presume, rightly or wrongly, is) technical feasible isn't provided.

What's wrong with simply stating and asking, “I'm a user of (app/system/platform) [FONT=Times New Roman]X[/FONT], I want feature/functionality [FONT=Times New Roman]Y[/FONT] but don't seem to have access to it. Could someone please advise how I can get it, what else I need to do – including, but not limited to, downloading and installing addition tools, and/or signing up for some third-party service with or without additional charges – and how much do I have to pay in someone else's asking price, if it isn't offered free of charge to everyone (including little ol' me)?”
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0 Scorp1981 over 8 years ago

@JSRUNNER_: I have no problem with anyone wanting to see both time and (or against, or alongside) distance an activity. However, too many people jump straight to solution mode, even though they don't rightly have a place at the table, so to speak, for designing how something they neither own nor manage works; and, when they don't have want they want, and aren't in a position to satisfy themselves, they start making statements about how something is a “basic” or “essential” a feature is, and/or either accuse or allude to someone else being incompetent or negligent because something (they presume, rightly or wrongly, is) technical feasible isn't provided.

What's wrong with simply stating and asking, “I'm a user of (app/system/platform) [FONT=Times New Roman]X[/FONT], I want feature/functionality [FONT=Times New Roman]Y[/FONT] but don't seem to have access to it. Could someone please advise how I can get it, what else I need to do – including, but not limited to, downloading and installing addition tools, and/or signing up for some third-party service with or without additional charges – and how much do I have to pay in someone else's asking price, if it isn't offered free of charge to everyone (including little ol' me)?”

And why ist it wrong to ask Garmin to just implement some (not so unreasonable) request? Maybe you don't like the form expressed for this request, but frankly, that is just you and not everybody thinks like you (or me).

You are right with your usual statements: we have nothing to say to Garmin. Got no rights whatsoever. It is up to them to do whatever they want. But why can't we express our frustration, if something is not available? Also, in my opinion, it should be Garmin's goal to get as many as possible on their Plattform. I, for myself, would love not to have to use more then one plattform/app/3rd party program/whatever. I mean, doesn't that mean that I want to be loyal to Garmin? But I still would like for Garmin to improve, give me more features, ecc.

And since this is a Forum, everyone has a right to express his Feelings/rustration (while still minding proper netiquette). And yes: some things lacking do seem basic. Why can this not be said? In the end it is up to Garmin to decide wheter they want to listen to their customers or not. I don't understand, why it is such a big thing for you? Do feel free to express your own opinion, but please respect also the opinion of someone who doesn't agree with you (even in his way to express his opinion), whitout having to teach someone better.

As always, no disrespect meant and no hard feelings. Just trying to understand and expressing my opinion.

Back to topic:

Would like to see this feature too in GC and GCM.

0 ASmugDill over 8 years ago

And why ist it wrong to ask Garmin to just implement some (not so unreasonable) request?

So, by all means, submit a feature request to Garmin, as Philip has already suggested above. (I note that legriv even replied above to say that he/she will do so.)

Maybe you don't like the form expressed for this request,

Opining on whether the feature is basic, commenting where (or when) the feature is (or was) available, and trying to ‘shame’ Garmin into responding in word or deed, does not make that a request.

but frankly, that is just you and not everybody thinks like you (or me).

That is why I'm saying it in a discussion forum. If everyone already thought exactly the same way, then frankly there would be very little to discuss. Do people post or say things just to elicit ‘moral’ support or sympathy from like-minded people?

But why can't we express our frustration, if something is not available?

Expressing it does not help one arrive at a technical solution that delivers the desired functional outcome. Here, the desired functional outcome has already been stated by legriv in the thread title, but instead of requesting information from fellow forum members on how the outcome can be achieved, he/she seems to show no real interest in asking for or being offered information towards a solution.

My only interest when someone says, “I want to do [FONT=Times New Roman]Y[/FONT] in a particular way,” in a discusison is whether he/she is indeed capable of doing so, and since in most cases he/she isn't (else there would be no need for discussion), why he/she isn't. If it's just an information gap, I'm happy to help fill the gap, either by posting procedural instructions and/or screenshots, or direct him/her to RTFM or search the forum if the relevant information is already there to be found. On the other hand, if somoene says, “I want to do [FONT=Times New Roman]Y[/FONT],” without presuming to limit the solution, then it's more of an invitation for others to explore and discuss potential solutions, without being unduly limited by his/her opinions (about whether [FONT=Times New Roman]Y[/FONT] is basic, essential, easy or common) or preferences (on how). If he/she doesn't like a suggested solution and the cost/compromise involved, that's not really anyone else's concern.

Also, in my opinion, it should be Garmin's goal to get as many as possible on their Plattform.

And you're quite welcome to hold and express that opinion. Given the ongoing use of Garmin Connect does not require a subscription fee, and Garmin does not sell ad space on it, an increase in the number of users on that online fitness tracking platform does not translate to revenue or profit for the company. People use Garmin Connect because they already bought Garmin wearable devices, not the other way around.

I, for myself, would love not to have to use more then one plattform/app/3rd party program/whatever. I mean, doesn't that mean that I want to be loyal to Garmin?

Not really, and how many other software applications or online services you use for health and fitness tracking and/or analysis will not take away from your primary relationship with Garmin, which is that you're a customer only by virtue of purchasing its hardware products.

But I still would like for Garmin to improve, give me more features, ecc.

And I'm confident Garmin wants the opportunity to sell you more stuff and get more money off you in a mutually satisfactory exchange.

And since this is a Forum, everyone has a right to express his Feelings/rustration (while still minding proper netiquette).

Equally, his fellow forum members have the same ‘right’ to pass comment on whatever is posted here for discussion, yes?

Do feel free to express your own opinion, but please respect also the opinion of someone who doesn't agree with you (even in his way to express his opinion), whitout having to teach someone better.

I respect my fellows' rights to form, hold and express opinions, but that doesn't mean I ought to ‘respect’ their opinions by having unconditional positive regard, assuming there is inherent merit in their views, and/or refraining from pointing out where I think they're incorrect, misguided or foolish.

In my society, I can respect my fellow citizen's right to vote however he/she wishes, but his/her preferred outcome is not something I need to ‘respect’ or support, and in fact there is nothing wrong with exercising my identical right to vote differently, which may have the potential consequence of keeping him/her from getting his/her preferred outcome. I don't have to vote for a win-win option even if one such was conceivable or on offer; contributing to someone else's idea of a better world is not an obligation.

Anyway, if anyone doesn't like the way I express myself on this discussion forum, they're quite welcome to put me on their ignore list.

0 pshare over 8 years ago

Garmin might not charge for Connect however it's part of the selling proposition. They wouldn't sell many devices if Connect didn't exist.

Whereas the prescribed system is to make a feature request, I believe that when many people post the same issue in the forum, Garmin eventually notices and often moves the request up their development queue. Therefore, I would continue to post here as well as make the feature request.

0 ASmugDill over 8 years ago

They wouldn't sell many devices if Connect didn't exist.

Sure, because a standalone wearable device wouldn't do much, and some features such as custom workouts absolutely require Garmin Connect to work on devices that support those features.

On the other hand, Connect doesn't have to avail users of this or that flavour of analysis of the uploaded activity data, just to be useful as one piece of the equation and allow Garmin wearable device users to access the features that are marketed for the devices.

0 Scorp1981 over 8 years ago

So, by all means, submit a feature request to Garmin, as Philip has already suggested above. (I note that legriv even replied above to say that he/she will do so.)

without you contesting his feature request? ;)

Opining on whether the feature is basic, commenting where (or when) the feature is (or was) available, and trying to ‘shame’ Garmin into responding in word or deed, does not make that a request.

You are right. It is not a request. Though I think you exaggerate when you think, someone's trying to "shame" Garmin into responding (at least in this thread).
Still, it does not change the principle: It is not wrong to express a request, or an opinion as you correctly stated. Even if you, I or someone else doesn't like how the opinion is expressed (of course, still minding netiquette).

That is why I'm saying it in a discussion forum. If everyone already thought exactly the same way, then frankly there would be very little to discuss. Do people post or say things just to elicit ‘moral’ support or sympathy from like-minded people?

No, this is not my point, of course. My point is, that with your replies, you rather imply that someone should not feel/express/request/voice his opinion the way he does (sorry, I cannot match your eloquence in a language which is not native to me. I hope you understand what I mean).

Expressing it does not help one arrive at a technical solution that delivers the desired functional outcome.

Well, as you yourself stated:

That is why I'm saying it in a discussion forum.

So People post here to discuss things. That doesn't imply that they just want to achieve some desired functional outcome

My only interest when someone says, “I want to do [FONT=Times New Roman]Y[/FONT] in a particular way,” in a discusison is whether he/she is indeed capable of doing so, and since in most cases he/she isn't (else there would be no need for discussion), why he/she isn't. If it's just an information gap, I'm happy to help fill the gap, either by posting procedural instructions and/or screenshots, or direct him/her to RTFM or search the forum if the relevant information is already there to be found.

Granted, you do that a lot and usualy in a very helpful way. It's just that when someone "attacks" Garmin, you start being somehow condescending (no insult meant)

On the other hand, if somoene says, “I want to do [FONT=Times New Roman]Y[/FONT],” without presuming to limit the solution, then it's more of an invitation for others to explore and discuss potential solutions, without being unduly limited by his/her opinions (about whether [FONT=Times New Roman]Y[/FONT] is basic, essential, easy or common) or preferences (on how). If he/she doesn't like a suggested solution and the cost/compromise involved, that's not really anyone else's concern.

Yes. That is true too. But he still can express his frustration, if the potential solution is not to his liking and would whish for Garmin to do "better"

Not really, and how many other software applications or online services you use for health and fitness tracking and/or analysis will not take away from your primary relationship with Garmin, which is that you're a customer only by virtue of purchasing its hardware products.

Interesting way of seeing things... For me, I only have a relationship with Garmin as a customer because I chose too and I can end this relationship whenever I feel that something else (device, plattform, whatever) will suit me better. But still, I'd like to remain loyal to Garmin and in the same time I'd like them to improve some things. I'm sure, in the great scheme I mean nothing to Garmin. But if many others feel the same as I do, maybe they'll have to reconsider.

In my society, I can respect my fellow citizen's right to vote however he/she wishes, but his/her preferred outcome is not something I need to ‘respect’ or support, and in fact there is nothing wrong with exercising my identical right to vote differently, which may have the potential consequence of keeping him/her from getting his/her preferred outcome. I don't have to vote for a win-win option even if one such was conceivable or on offer; contributing to someone else's idea of a better world is not an obligation.

Well, In my society, I can respect someone/someone's opionion without agreeing and/or supporting him and/or his opinion.

Anyway, if anyone doesn't like the way I express myself on this discussion forum, they're quite welcome to put me on their ignore list.

No, that would mean missing out on all the fun :D:D

0 Former Member over 8 years ago

Hmmm, a few days away from civilization (i.e. Internet to the extent of civilization it can reach) and I see maybe I need to clarify a few things here ;)

First off, I never meant to blame, shame or criticize Garmin in any way. Not because I wouldn't do that if I felt they deserved it, but if and when I did, I would have chosen a more appropriate means than the forums. I'm certainly not one of the "whinier" people out there who feel forums are the place where they can rage and vent all day long at the expense of fellow users (and Garmin employees, mind you - I do expect that a company of any size that supports official forums be aware of the topics discussed there, even if it doesn't actively participate). No, the purpose of this question was simply to ask whether the feature I was looking for was indeed missing or whether I was simply not able to find it).

Secondly, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to qualify a piece of functionality as basic or not, especially when I have enough context and can provide enough arguments (again, not that this is necessary - we're not in court and although argumentation tends to help in a productive discussion, my post doesn't aim at convincing anybody of the basic or advanced nature of that specific feature). When you run, this is the most basic information of which you keep track. Not to sound condescending, but time, distance and speed give you the most basic understanding of "how" your run went, and when you know two of them, you can calculate the third. So yes, this is a basic requirement for the analysis of a run. Especially when you can already see your run cadence and your ground contact time balance - not your regular Joe runner's points of interest.

Finally - and I'm only mentioning this because the approach never crossed my mind - using different "tools" to achieve a goal is in general a viable option. Thanks to the people who pointed it out - in fact, this is how I will be achieving what I need for the time being. But whether I find it acceptable that I need to upload a Garmin-recorded activity to Strava or Endomondo in order to see, pardon the repetition, the most basic of analyses a running activity can provide, is entirely up to me. So is dealing with the repercussions of such an act, and in this particular case I reckon the approach of using two different tools is far from being the best one.

In a nutshell - this topic was very simple in concept. Thank you for your insights, @ASmugDill, I just think you read between the lines a tad too much. And thanks, @JSRUNNER_ and @Scorp1981, for, well... you know :)

Keep it up, everyone!

Cheers,
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0 ASmugDill over 8 years ago

No, the purpose of this question was simply to ask whether the feature I was looking for was indeed missing or whether I was simply not able to find it).

Just to reiterate what others have already said, such a feature isn't there in Garmin Connect.

I don't see why I shouldn't be able to qualify a piece of functionality as basic or not, especially when I have enough context and can provide enough arguments

I'm not at all trying to stop you. I just don't support people who: (i)‑want what is not within their entitlement (and, by its very nature, entitlement is always granted and upheld by someone else other than them), and (ii)‑demand and/or expect those things to be provided entirely at someone else's cost and investment (in terms of resources, time, effort, whatever) instead of their own.

My basic position as a fellow citizen/consumer/customer is this: if you're entitled to 50 units of something by law and/or commercial agreement, and you want 55 units, I hope that the option exists for you the acquire the extra 5 units (as opposed to, “Nah, you can't have it… ever!”), and that the option would cost you and everyone who is your equal (including myself) dearly instead of the government/public/merchant.

using different "tools" to achieve a goal is in general a viable option._…‹snip›… So is dealing with the repercussions of such an act, and in this particular case I reckon the approach of using two different tools is far from being the best one.

Oh, no doubt it's far from being the best conceivable solution, but it may just be the best available approach to you taking into account cost and benefit.

I made a (fairly well-paid) career out of clobbering together IT solutions for companies (that paid me) using components to which they already have easy access, after detailing the limitations of those solutions for their acceptance. I also re-architected fit and flexible solutions from the ground up with growth and evolution in mind (for companies that paid me) that required components or capabilities that weren't already there.

What I never advocated or ‘sold’ is something that didn't cost the stakeholder who wanted more. I'm generally happy to have an open mind and take people's additional functional requirements on board non-judgmentally, provided that they're prepared to wear (some or all of) the cost of satisfaction instead of expecting to offload it to someone else or unilaterally assign responsibility for such to others.

That's why I'm often been accused of ‘defending’ Garmin, Microsoft, Google, Apple, Telstra, Australia Post, eBay… all the companies that people love to accuse of ‘not doing enough’, because those people (who accuse me) blatantly demand more at the exclusive expense of the greater, more resourceful entities and I oppose that approach in consumers and individuals.

without you contesting his feature request? ;)

Of course, since I won't be able to see it, and it isn't being raised by him for discussion with fellow product users. ;)

It is not wrong to express a request, or an opinion as you correctly stated. Even if you, I or someone else doesn't like how the opinion is expressed

My point is, that with your replies, you rather imply that someone should not feel/express/request/voice his opinion the way he does

I'm not trying to suppress anyone from expressing their opinions, any more than the message along the lines of, “Warning – Smoking is a health hazard” on every ad and every packet suppresses or prevents advertising or displaying cigarettes for retail purposes. Obviously, I'm not a regulatory authority imposing the requirement for an accompanying message, but merely exercising my equal ‘rights’ to add my two cents, so to speak, as a fellow member in a discussion forum.

(sorry, I cannot match your eloquence in a language which is not native to me. I hope you understand what I mean).

You're doing more than fine. By the way, English is not my mother tongue either, and I only moved to Australia in my late teens.

So People post here to discuss things. That doesn't imply that they just want to achieve some desired functional outcome

But asking “How to…?” implies the person posing the question wants to achieve a desired functional outcome, no?

It's just that when someone "attacks" Garmin, you start being somehow condescending (no insult meant)

I cannot condescend (which implies from a higher or superior position) when I'm just an equal and a peer. Reminding them of their – our – place in the equation or the big picture, so to speak, is neither condescending nor belittling, any more than (bringing attention to) the four walls of a room are condescending. I personally prefer the walls to be finished with the raw, rough surface of stone with no veneer and no wallpaper, so that those who want to bang their heads against the wall can experience the full impact, even when I'm in the same room as them and operating with the same constraints.

But he still can express his frustration, if the potential solution is not to his liking and would whish for Garmin to do "better"

For the avoidance of doubt, I'll acknowledge any day of the week that he can. Equally, I can respond, whereas you seem to want me to refrain from responding (as if I was ignoring them) the way I'm apt to, if I aren't prepared to offer my support.

Just to be clear, I don't take anything on discussion forums personally, and there are no hard feelings on my part. Again, I endeavour to be as impersonal as a stone wall, which can never be condescending or frustrating. I don't personally aspire to authority or power, but I quite enjoy the weight of the world bearing down and not letting everyone run amok and operating as they please, as if their wishes and preferences were important or of consequence.

That's what I like about screenshots, photographic evidence, etc. Information in its purest form is not personal, and objective truth does not give a damn about anyone's values, hopes or well-being.

0 Former Member over 7 years ago

Anyone made any progress with this? The idea that when I scroll over my activity data and two really basic pieces of info don't pop up, time and distance, is in a word, stupid. When I am checking my heart rate and see a spike, I just want to know how far I am into my activity, both time and distance. This really simple mathematics for a computer given all the data that has been gathered by the Garmin device. For me to do it, I have to *type all the data into a spreadsheet. This isn't a "feature request" it is basic.

*changed from "dump" because I actually have to type the data in.

Update:
1) Garmin CS was genuinely surprised that time didn't show in the pop-up on the distance data plot and vice versa.
2) All of the zoom plots have zero in the data fields. That makes doing my own calculations much more difficult now. Those zeros also showed up on the customer service person's account.

Both were sent off to the engineers. If/when I hear something, I'll update you.

0 AllanOlesen67 over 7 years ago

Make a free Endomondo account. Set it up to synchronize automatically with your Garmin account. Now you can see your activities in Endomondo, and they show both time and distance when hovering the mouse over the trends.

AND they show your best 1 km, 1 mile, 5 km, etc. during each activity. It is even marked on the map if you hover your mouse over it. (Not what you asked for, but another thing Endomondo does better than Garmin.)