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Garmin connect default zones mess

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Garmin sets default heart rate zones in such a way that you can't even understand why they are set like this ...

For example if my LTHR is 180 I would expect the top of my Z4 to be 100% of LTHR when set to % LTHR. No, it's configured to 90%. Why? I am questioning my understanding of zones.

Then power zones ...  I configured Stryd to be used for power, but no, app will use HRM PRO+ or my FR965 for that, why? It's less accurate. But ok, I have Stryd application for that.
Can I just disable power zones in Garmin? Today I was shocked when Garmin told me my training readiness is '1' down from ~60. I thought, do I over-train? Well Garmin app thinks that I was running 50m in Z5 (power) even if my HR zones were set correctly ... Double check for this case would make sense ? Again default power zones settings are not something I understand, but hey I can re-configure them.

How can I now reset my training readiness which is the metric that I need the most? I will see if it will fix itself due to good HRV value.

I think such little things should get polished ...

  • 0 in reply to flocsy🤠

    Yes, I noticed that. I am using runnalyze ...

  • 0 in reply to 6532845
    6532845 said:
    how can short tempo run be marked as a Vo2max effort? Where based on HR was Z2 + a bit of Z3/Z4

    As stated several already times here, the zones are irrelevant. Both HR and Power zones. What is not irrelevant, though, are the values like the Resting HR, 7 days avg Resting HR, Max HR, HR Reserve, LTHR, threshold pace, and threshold power (and TP/kg). So if you want to understand why it happened, focus on those. They can be easily quite different than what your zones suggest, and they can change frequently and significantly. The body weight plays a role too, so for example when someone accidentally enters a wrong weight, it can skew the metrics.

    6532845 said:
    The best thing would be just to give us exact equation / algorithm.

    I do not see any competitor doing that, and I think everyone understands why. And TBH, I think that Garmin with their  articles, and the scientific whitepapers and patents by Garmin owned Firstbeat, go way over what other competitors offer.

    6532845 said:
    I will analyze HRV data during the run, I think this data may be located in the original .fit file and I already have some

    Do not forget to enable HRV logging in the settings. By default it is off. However, even with the HRV data, I am not sure whether you can find out much. During activity, HRV is used to detect the respiration rate, lactate threshold, VO₂max, the training stress, ... but it is uncertain you can see much of it on your own. For the recovery and readiness, the overnight HR and HRV analysis is the main factor.

  • 0 in reply to trux

    You seem to know a lot. But I can't find any other metric that would explain this, what I've checked so far:

    1. sleep: 80 to 90+ for the past 6 days
    2. HRV stable in the green, recovered very quickly after that run
    3. HR data during that run -> no artifacts
    4. HRV data during that run -> no artifacts and consistent with tempo effort
    5. training readiness before that run: 78
    6. stamina after the run: 60%
    7. performance score during the run +8
    8. Resting HR stable at 46-47 (for months)
    9. Max HR -> never re-configured it
    10. LTHR -> stable for years at 178-180
    11. power was just recently detected (TP)
    12. how I felt during that run: a bit sluggish at first (0c) then very good at tempo effort and then also for the cooldown
    13. garmin watch was telling me that I am at the low end of recommended training load at the start of the run, and a bit over after the end of the run -> 96h rest suggested (completely bogus)

    So I respect you knowledge and help, but as you see I also did my job ... and can't figure this out.

  • 0 in reply to 7795839

    Oh, well, AI... you know it feeds on forums like these, right? :) So if many people write something then someone asks AI, AI will probably tell it with high confidence as a "fact". Or at least some people who read it will consider it as a fact. And since more and more of what we see in the internet comes from AI (sometimes it's obvious or it's disclosed, but more often not) the total "average" knowledge will be worse and worse, and nobody will know what part is based on human knowlegde, what part on human guessing, what part on AI summerizing humans, what part is AI summerizing "whatever" (human + AI), and what part of that AI is hallucination...

  • 0 in reply to flocsy🤠

    yes, I 100% agree ... you never know...

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    How can you map HR zones to power zones? I know that HR lags a bit ... I am talking when HR is stable and for flat course ...

    I am a bit confused since Garmin is naming Z1, Z2, ... differently for HR vs Power zones

    For example HR Z1 is called: recovery/warmup, Z1 power is called Easy ..

    So should I be running recovery runs in Z1 power zone or bellow that? Since Z1 power is easy (Z2 HR)?

  • 0 in reply to 6532845

    I agree it's confusing. But who/what tells you to train in Z1? Is that heart or power based plan? Usually it's HR, and if not, then you probably would know

  • 0 in reply to flocsy🤠

    it's not about training ... it's about setting correct power zones ... Yes I know my HR zones and I know my power (Stryd) zones. I just want to configure garmin power zones correctly ...

    Today Garmin detected strange TP power during a Z2 run (strange in itself), before my TP made sense when looking default power zones from Garmin, but new value is much higher and I am again confused ... Either the new TP is wrong or I don't understand power zones ...

    Since I noticed that names doesn't match between HR and power zones, I thought power zones starts with 'easy' Z2 and not recovery Z1. Stryd is exactly the same ... Z1 there is Easy ... not recovery ... Z2 is already moderate (tempo in my language or Z3). ....

    So my original confusion about power zones can be solved in two ways:

    TP -> start of Z4   (100% to 115%)

    or

    TP is equivalent to CP (Stryd) then Z3 is already threshold and Z4 is vo2max

    or

    It's above my ability to understand this ...

  • 0 in reply to 6532845

    So if I understand what you explined now, then your question is not how to may HR zones to power zones, but how to enter manually the power zones to Garmin, given your power zones from Stryd?

  • 0 in reply to 6532845

    My original question was not well formed, I asked in which zone I should run for Z1, but I didn't explain why I needed that information ....

    Basically I am wondering if power zones if mapped to HR zones (steady HR, flat) are:

    power Z1 -> still recovery
    power Z2 -> easy
    power Z3 -> tempo
    power Z4 -> threshold
    power Z5 -> vo2max

    or

    power Z1 -> easy (Z2)
    power Z2 -> tempo (Z3)
    power Z3 -> threshold (Z4)
    power Z4 -> vo2max (Z5)
    power Z5 -> anaerobic (Z6)