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Livetrack issues unacceptable - Why isn't this high priority and deemed critical ?

I am well aware that there are several other posts about the current state of Livetrack on the Android platform, but I have intentionally created a new thread.

As a software engineer and architect of 25 years who has worked on both desktop and mobile platforms I am well qualified to comment on the current situation, and I find it unacceptable.

Lets analyse the situation as it stands, point form:

1. A system that was working perfectly for months, if not years, previously is now suddenly completely broken in multiple different ways.

LiveTrack refuses to start at all for many users, sometimes it will only start manually and not automatically, and sometimes it will start both manually and automatically, but then it refuses to stop automatically if it started automatically.

That's 3 separate and distinct issues with LiveTrack that have now appeared at the same time, out of nowhere, directly related to recent updates to the Garmin Connect app for Android.

2. A multitude of different users are all reporting the same issues, all of whom did not have these problems previously, which clearly indicates to me that the problem lies squarely with the Garmin Connect software on Android (or possibly compatibility issues between that software and the latest version/s of the Android OS), and it has nothing to do with customers hardware or customers doing something wrong.

Re-installing the Garmin Connect app does not fix the problems permanently or properly.

Deleting all application data for the Garmin Connect App does not fix the problems either.

3. Having re-installed the Garmin Connect software on my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge, which has never had any problem running Connect or Livetrack before, 4 times in the last 3 days, and observing that re-installation only temporarily fixes the problem, I can safely say that re-installation is NOT a solution to the current issues, certainly not with the current version of the software.

I haven't trained for several months due to medical problems, but when I stopped training everything was working perfectly my side, with the SAME phone and the SAME Garmin Edge 520.

Now I come back a few months later, install all the pending updates, and suddenly things that were working, literally for years, simply do not work anymore and are completely broken and unusable?

I find this state of affairs to be completely unacceptable for several reasons, namely:

1. First rule of deploying software updates live is: You do not remove functionality unless you plan to replace it with something better and you NEVER introduce changes that break backward compatibility or are considered breaking changes in any way.

2. LiveTrack is a SAFETY feature that many people rely on, and is one of the best things that Garmin have done on their platform, and yet there appears to be no sense of urgency to fix this problem? Why not?

I fail to understand how these current LiveTrack issues are not deemed to be Critical Severity A issues that warrant an emergency hot fix. Where I currently work, something this damaging to the company's reputation, having this much of a negative impact on users, would immediately be escalated to our highest severity level and our developers would basically LIVE at the office until this was resolved and a hot fix was released to patch this ... WITHIN 48 HOURS maximum.

3. If Garmin know that it's their software causing this, and I think we can all agree that it's patently obvious that it is at this point, but they don't know how to fix it and are battling to pin down the root cause, then they need to ADMIT that and COMMUNICATE with their user base properly, instead of ignoring all of us and refusing to deal with the issue.

Have they never heard of public relations?

Having spent the last 3 days of my life fighting with the Garmin Connect app and LiveTrack, having LiveTrack work when it feels like it (in different ways, apparently depending on the time of day, the phase of the moon, and who knows what else), or not work at all, I am now at the end of my tether.

This is not new software and not even a new feature in existing software. This was working perfectly, for a very long time, and somebody did something to break it, and Garmin need to figure out who did what, and fix it. And they should do so as a matter of urgency, not take 6 to 8 weeks to maybe release a patch, while they refuse to communicate.

Furthermore, this is not even difficult to reproduce. I've managed to get it to break multiple times in the last 3 days, in multiple different ways, without even trying to break it. In fact, I was trying NOT TO break it.

@Garmin: What is going on? What are you doing to fix this? Why is this not being dealt with urgently as it should be? Why are you not communicating with your users properly?
  • Hi all,
    I update my connect app 17Feb 2019 and it looks te connect app is a bit beter than it was but not how it should be.
    It sends now the mail s automatically , so you think you can be followed and the 'follower' get his/her email. ... but there is nothing to follow...session already ended!!

    It looks like the app sends the date of the app installation instead of the start of the activity moment...

    see pic. ciq.forums.garmin.com/.../1457506.jpg
  • This is not 3 days :), it's more than 1 month ago :) Maybe your smartphone wrong date?
  • It looks like the app sends the date of the app installation instead of the start of the activity moment...

    see pic.


    It was always like that, it's a session name in GC where date is not updated automatically.

  • Livetrack starts ok and initially appears to be working ok, but at some point in the ride it gives up, at some indeterminate time later it may start working again, and draws a straight line between where it stopped working and where it started again.

    Two things come to mind; the Garmin device temporarily lost connection with the phone, or the phone lost connection to the mobile network.

    Different phones, different OS versions, but I was able to solve the phone losing connection with BLE devices by deleting its BLE cache ("reset all network parameters" or some similar option, it removes all BLE id's and stored Wifi credentials) and set Bluetooth Scanning on ("allow apps and services to detect Bluetooth devices at any time") - it might help. I don't get the frequent "bluetooth stopped" errors on the phone anymore, and Livetrack works.

    Phone losing connection to the network is less easy to troubleshoot, perhaps there is a way to set up a warning on the phone when that happens. Won't solve it, but at least you know where that happens and if it correlates with the missing pieces of track.
  • I use Extend for 24 hrs. too, but when I open the link, it shows "User has ended LiveTrack already, not available anymore"! I think I must end the LiveTrack at my mobile phone before the German device to keep the LiveTrack online for 24 hrs.? Usually I end the track at my Garmin device first, than the LiveTrack end automatically!


    I am still having the same problem with my device, will try the workaround
  • just discovered my livetrack issues now are more on phone-garmin connections. i have my phone on my jersey back pocket or leg pocket urban cycling shorts. i press start and ride, no message saying livetrack started so stopped after 30 secs. took out the phone and waited 5 to 10 sec, livetrack started.

    another time livetrack started normally. stopped around 20km, paused garmin, checked my phone amd the livetrack link, everything tracked correctly. put my phone back in my leg pocket, fiddled a bit with my camera, started riding and restarted garmin. another 30km later, paused garmin. check the livetrack link again, my position stuck at my 1st stop. then because my i already have my phone on hand, the screen refreshed to show i flew directly from point A (1st stop) to point B (current stop)

    Phone is LG G6 with a bumper case.

    The livetrack issues around Nov to Jan period seems like a different issue as my wife did say she never received any livetrack notification at all during those periods, even with my Fenix when its on the same arm as my phone hence less chance for connection issues. But all those seems fixed for me. For now just need to ensure i have my phones out when starting my ride or run.
  • Still not working well
    - Last week 2 activities on one day ..the first started correctly..the second ..No emails send!
    - 2 days ago 1 activity email is send
    - yesterday 1 activity NO email send

    when send ... the 24 hour extension still doesn't work!

    I was thinking about upgrading to the new ForeRunner 945 .. but if these problem still exist...is it worth the money ??


  • Automatical start isn't reliable at all. For reliability, you should start livetrack manually for each ride on the phone.
  • We are still actively working on the livetrack feature. We do not have concrete information to pass along in regards to this effort and and apologize for the continued inconvenience. 

  • A week and a half ago I made my friday commute. On the way to college, LiveTrack worked well, on the way back 3 hours later, it just refused to work. Until today, trying to start LiveTrack manually does not work, I connect Garmin to Strava Beacon with it and the button saying "Start LiveTrack" is just grayed out and I can't tap it. Reinstalled the app, rebooted devices, revoked and gave consent on privacy services, and nothing works. I had a race that weekend and my family could not know if I was doing well or about to arrive... just because LiveTrack suspiciously and abruptly stopped working!

    All of this, not mentioning that Auto-Start on LiveTrack worked my first 4 months on the Edge 520, and on a blink of an eye it just started failing and I had to adopt the habit of starting manually.