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Livetrack issues unacceptable - Why isn't this high priority and deemed critical ?

I am well aware that there are several other posts about the current state of Livetrack on the Android platform, but I have intentionally created a new thread.

As a software engineer and architect of 25 years who has worked on both desktop and mobile platforms I am well qualified to comment on the current situation, and I find it unacceptable.

Lets analyse the situation as it stands, point form:

1. A system that was working perfectly for months, if not years, previously is now suddenly completely broken in multiple different ways.

LiveTrack refuses to start at all for many users, sometimes it will only start manually and not automatically, and sometimes it will start both manually and automatically, but then it refuses to stop automatically if it started automatically.

That's 3 separate and distinct issues with LiveTrack that have now appeared at the same time, out of nowhere, directly related to recent updates to the Garmin Connect app for Android.

2. A multitude of different users are all reporting the same issues, all of whom did not have these problems previously, which clearly indicates to me that the problem lies squarely with the Garmin Connect software on Android (or possibly compatibility issues between that software and the latest version/s of the Android OS), and it has nothing to do with customers hardware or customers doing something wrong.

Re-installing the Garmin Connect app does not fix the problems permanently or properly.

Deleting all application data for the Garmin Connect App does not fix the problems either.

3. Having re-installed the Garmin Connect software on my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge, which has never had any problem running Connect or Livetrack before, 4 times in the last 3 days, and observing that re-installation only temporarily fixes the problem, I can safely say that re-installation is NOT a solution to the current issues, certainly not with the current version of the software.

I haven't trained for several months due to medical problems, but when I stopped training everything was working perfectly my side, with the SAME phone and the SAME Garmin Edge 520.

Now I come back a few months later, install all the pending updates, and suddenly things that were working, literally for years, simply do not work anymore and are completely broken and unusable?

I find this state of affairs to be completely unacceptable for several reasons, namely:

1. First rule of deploying software updates live is: You do not remove functionality unless you plan to replace it with something better and you NEVER introduce changes that break backward compatibility or are considered breaking changes in any way.

2. LiveTrack is a SAFETY feature that many people rely on, and is one of the best things that Garmin have done on their platform, and yet there appears to be no sense of urgency to fix this problem? Why not?

I fail to understand how these current LiveTrack issues are not deemed to be Critical Severity A issues that warrant an emergency hot fix. Where I currently work, something this damaging to the company's reputation, having this much of a negative impact on users, would immediately be escalated to our highest severity level and our developers would basically LIVE at the office until this was resolved and a hot fix was released to patch this ... WITHIN 48 HOURS maximum.

3. If Garmin know that it's their software causing this, and I think we can all agree that it's patently obvious that it is at this point, but they don't know how to fix it and are battling to pin down the root cause, then they need to ADMIT that and COMMUNICATE with their user base properly, instead of ignoring all of us and refusing to deal with the issue.

Have they never heard of public relations?

Having spent the last 3 days of my life fighting with the Garmin Connect app and LiveTrack, having LiveTrack work when it feels like it (in different ways, apparently depending on the time of day, the phase of the moon, and who knows what else), or not work at all, I am now at the end of my tether.

This is not new software and not even a new feature in existing software. This was working perfectly, for a very long time, and somebody did something to break it, and Garmin need to figure out who did what, and fix it. And they should do so as a matter of urgency, not take 6 to 8 weeks to maybe release a patch, while they refuse to communicate.

Furthermore, this is not even difficult to reproduce. I've managed to get it to break multiple times in the last 3 days, in multiple different ways, without even trying to break it. In fact, I was trying NOT TO break it.

@Garmin: What is going on? What are you doing to fix this? Why is this not being dealt with urgently as it should be? Why are you not communicating with your users properly?
  • Good to know there is a new version coming (it isn't available for me yet though, playstore version is still 4.13.8 from January 17)

    Edit: I have 4.15 installed now. All I get is "No signal, trying to reconnect" and the map of Africa. :( Everything else works great on that phone (syncing, notifications, LiveTrack with version 3.22 or 4.8), just no joy with this new update. I tested with an Epix. I'm curious if others have better results with other devices.

    BTW I didn't notice the extra permissions needed to access the address book, but that may be because I gave Connect permission to access absolutely everything on that phone already.
  • Gc 4.15 and android 8.. live tracking alive again!
  • Gc 4.15 and android 8.. live tracking alive again!


    I have Android 9, so will be interesting to see if it works for me. Can't wait to try it.
  • Really great, I just downloaded it, I'll test it in next days and I'l report here than.
  • Correction to previous post:
    Edit: I have 4.15 installed now. All I get is "No signal, trying to reconnect"

    I THOUGHT I had 4.15 installed. Yesterday I requested the install of 4.15 via the Google Playstore webinterface on my PC, but it installed 4.13.8 instead. That explains why it didn't work and why I didn't get the question about the contact list.

    I am now going to test with 4.15.
  • Just tested GC 4.1.5, Android 8.0, and Edge 1030 ver 7.00. The Live tracking is working much better. Went on a 3hr ride and it worked fine. I tested on a stop, starting, meandering through the city ride and that was OK. Then I tried the dreaded reconnecting. I did this by walking away from the bike (over 10 M) with the phone for about 5 min. When I got back the Phone reconnected but Live track never did and never indicated that it did not reconnect. When I ended my ride it automatically uploaded the ride and stopped the Live Tracking, but with only the last location I had since I walked away. So it is much better but there is still more that needs to be done for this safety feature.
  • Livetrack still not properly functional with GCM 4.15. See attached screen dumps from the Garmin Connect map of this morning's ride and what Livetrack thinks happened. Livetrack lost everything from shortly after the 20km point to the 58km point, at which point it started working again and successfully logged the rest of the ride. Phone is a Pixel 2 running Android 9, connected to an Edge 1030. I also still have the problem that the 1030 won't establish a connection to the phone unless I actually start GCM.

    Map of the ride from Garmin Connect: https://photos.app.goo.gl/suyVf3yw4Yz395jD6

    Map of the ride from Livetrack: https://photos.app.goo.gl/aPF3Vc2b7XdWnkEY8
  • @AuldNik: Your pictures are blocked at my browser, not safe!
  • I did one short run with a Forerunner 953, Samsung S5 with Lineage OS 15.1 (Android 8.1) for which Livetrack worked fine. I'm hopeful this is fixed.

    It would have been good to have a change list for the app, or some comunication from Garmin about this though. The repeated process of updating of the app, finding no change, rolling back again, during these past 2 months was not a great experience. Some mention of expected time to fix woyld have been a considerable help.

    If it is really fixed now (I'll do another couple of activities to check) I thank the Garmin team for fixing it!
  • @AuldNik: Your pictures are blocked at my browser, not safe!

    No idea on that - they're just jpgs. See if it is any different now - I uploaded the images to Google Photos and changed the links to point there. For some reason the forum software here won't allow me to upload any attachments, so I have to put them as external links.