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Livetrack issues unacceptable - Why isn't this high priority and deemed critical ?

I am well aware that there are several other posts about the current state of Livetrack on the Android platform, but I have intentionally created a new thread.

As a software engineer and architect of 25 years who has worked on both desktop and mobile platforms I am well qualified to comment on the current situation, and I find it unacceptable.

Lets analyse the situation as it stands, point form:

1. A system that was working perfectly for months, if not years, previously is now suddenly completely broken in multiple different ways.

LiveTrack refuses to start at all for many users, sometimes it will only start manually and not automatically, and sometimes it will start both manually and automatically, but then it refuses to stop automatically if it started automatically.

That's 3 separate and distinct issues with LiveTrack that have now appeared at the same time, out of nowhere, directly related to recent updates to the Garmin Connect app for Android.

2. A multitude of different users are all reporting the same issues, all of whom did not have these problems previously, which clearly indicates to me that the problem lies squarely with the Garmin Connect software on Android (or possibly compatibility issues between that software and the latest version/s of the Android OS), and it has nothing to do with customers hardware or customers doing something wrong.

Re-installing the Garmin Connect app does not fix the problems permanently or properly.

Deleting all application data for the Garmin Connect App does not fix the problems either.

3. Having re-installed the Garmin Connect software on my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge, which has never had any problem running Connect or Livetrack before, 4 times in the last 3 days, and observing that re-installation only temporarily fixes the problem, I can safely say that re-installation is NOT a solution to the current issues, certainly not with the current version of the software.

I haven't trained for several months due to medical problems, but when I stopped training everything was working perfectly my side, with the SAME phone and the SAME Garmin Edge 520.

Now I come back a few months later, install all the pending updates, and suddenly things that were working, literally for years, simply do not work anymore and are completely broken and unusable?

I find this state of affairs to be completely unacceptable for several reasons, namely:

1. First rule of deploying software updates live is: You do not remove functionality unless you plan to replace it with something better and you NEVER introduce changes that break backward compatibility or are considered breaking changes in any way.

2. LiveTrack is a SAFETY feature that many people rely on, and is one of the best things that Garmin have done on their platform, and yet there appears to be no sense of urgency to fix this problem? Why not?

I fail to understand how these current LiveTrack issues are not deemed to be Critical Severity A issues that warrant an emergency hot fix. Where I currently work, something this damaging to the company's reputation, having this much of a negative impact on users, would immediately be escalated to our highest severity level and our developers would basically LIVE at the office until this was resolved and a hot fix was released to patch this ... WITHIN 48 HOURS maximum.

3. If Garmin know that it's their software causing this, and I think we can all agree that it's patently obvious that it is at this point, but they don't know how to fix it and are battling to pin down the root cause, then they need to ADMIT that and COMMUNICATE with their user base properly, instead of ignoring all of us and refusing to deal with the issue.

Have they never heard of public relations?

Having spent the last 3 days of my life fighting with the Garmin Connect app and LiveTrack, having LiveTrack work when it feels like it (in different ways, apparently depending on the time of day, the phase of the moon, and who knows what else), or not work at all, I am now at the end of my tether.

This is not new software and not even a new feature in existing software. This was working perfectly, for a very long time, and somebody did something to break it, and Garmin need to figure out who did what, and fix it. And they should do so as a matter of urgency, not take 6 to 8 weeks to maybe release a patch, while they refuse to communicate.

Furthermore, this is not even difficult to reproduce. I've managed to get it to break multiple times in the last 3 days, in multiple different ways, without even trying to break it. In fact, I was trying NOT TO break it.

@Garmin: What is going on? What are you doing to fix this? Why is this not being dealt with urgently as it should be? Why are you not communicating with your users properly?
  • What I need is to see on my smartphone, what my daughter sees on her Garmin Edge while racing, updated once a second with a second latency. Very simple. I don't need graphs, just numbers. I hope that Garmin will eventually get there.


    To be honest, given the purpose of Livetrack is mainly to "let people know where I am in case something bad happens" but with a little bit of "bragging rights" thrown in, I doubt that per second, realtime resolution will ever be on the cards.

    There's a trade-off between update resolution/frequency, data usage and phone and device battery usage as well. What you're wanting sounds very much like the sort of telemetry they use in Formula 1 motor racing, where they can see all the data in realtime in the pits. I don't think you're going to get that from a mass-market consumer grade device. (But having it as an option in software would be cool - I agree).
  • Livetrack is indeed designed basically as a safety measure. More frequent and detailed telemetry would be cool, but there is no ready-to-use phone app to relay ANT+ sensor data AFAIK. Although it is a lot of work, it could be done based on concepts like this one: https://internetofhomethings.com/homethings/?p=866 , but then not only recording but also transmitting the data.

    BTW I wonder if a fix for Livetrack is in the making, did anyone who is on the case with Garmin on this receive any news?
  • Thank you for your thoughts!

    A simple telemetry system is what I'm looking for. It would be great to equip a coach with a smartphone (not just a stopwatch) to see cyclist's real-time data during races.

    Our current setup in the gym on the rollers is Bluetooth sensors paired directly to iPhone 8 (Rouvy app) that displays sensor data (digits) on a large iPhone screen. It's very convenient for both coach and cyclist.

    Our setup on the road (races) is ANT+ sensors connected to Garmin Edge 520, which may be paired to a smartphone via Bluetooth, and with data channeled to LiveTrack. The ANT+ to Bluetooth/smartphone conversion is conveniently done by the Garmin head unit, and no ANT+ radio needed here.

    It would be nice to be able to configure LiveTrack. Now, the settings are hard-coded to 1 min. update, 1 min. latency, 4 sec. resolution. I just need 1 sec. update, 1 sec. latency, 1 sec. resolution and the layout of data fields and I have on Garmin Edge. Regarding the battery life, we may stream HD video/audio for hours these days. Streaming a few bytes per second would take very little bandwidth and power and if done properly should last for hours. Just dreaming...

    Any idea where I may find the 4.8 (IPA) for iOS/iPhone?

    Thanks.

  • Seems to be working now (4.13.8). I ran yesterday and cycled today using my Fenix 3. Though yesterday I had to reboot my watch and phone first, today, and today it just started without intervention.

    Only thing is, both times post activity, my phone still have the eye of sauron icon and Connect still saying livetrack in progress haha. Still a better day.
  • Didn't work for me today on 4.13.8. Just displayed the map of Africa from 30000 feet.
  • For me didn't work yesterday on 4.8 :) No signal, echhh...
  • preparing for my ride tomorrow morning... turned on my Edge 510, went to Connect app to switch from Fenix 3 to the 510 for Live Tracking... Hit the start button on the Edge... Live Track started... same as my other devices, the eye of sauron remains when activity has stopped.
  • I changed phones and lost my own backup of the 4.8 APK. Installed 4.13.x and the Bluetooth stack on the new phone crashed right after connecting the Forerunner, but livetrack worked for one run (just that one run though, the rest failed). The 'newest' GCM backup I have now is 3.22, will test that later. Hope it will be OK because Bluetooth is solid with it. Sleep in the 3.22 app lookes messed up, but I don't care about that.
  • Well...
    On iPhone, live track works but.... I mean, it sends the emails and people can follow you via that link. But my concern is Group tracking... My wife and I are using it with our watch (Fenix 5x and 935). Usually, we can see each other on our map on the watch. Now, live tracking is sent, but we can’t see each other on our watch anymore... I need this feature! Someone is aware of this?
    Thx
    Stephane
  • 4.15 out now. I won't be able to test LiveTrack today though. :(
    Anyone else tried it out yet?